Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f42.google.com ([209.85.128.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5071991 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:42:10 +0200 Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 1so1355070qee.15 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=Ed8m0Fy3J9k+OGiIlGY46eSCGIGu6J+X7Pg3TywoXn4=; b=erEMWBBopEBrhcq+b5Kyp4VDz742bq5mO+LpBQsM8CbeP0nzQgkayxAkCskUsoi9bw usNWaKiY5O8CQUwIhtZ6aYnO+cTJwK8YMhw7iUmLVBMxEvNidnVN679MIuEYX2xHkGM+ atfIh3zog3eYSg+O1CiSJ0sebSmqm/h8R3Wxlc/gbCEd/pCz+/B5MGkhbeNIHnT+/6wU Va/IRY2P3AwHeOuzf+D1Ycl6zekHwyo7NMrZy1HMrOURmHFx2a0+A152obzqjWDH3aGu HCNuiUYtCDXcQukDP+/OfcvNmuYem4RBLwlZb0tKyqW9Gr+jsXyHTJfqHJ1aNvQpg7eD QnvQ== X-Received: by 10.224.103.135 with SMTP id k7mr28677825qao.4.1368633071228; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.95.234 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 08:50:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 11:50:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for After Effects work for a budget of $1500? To: After Effects Mail List , Anders Sundstedt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2395c09dd8f04dcc3b82b --001a11c2395c09dd8f04dcc3b82b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anders, I would really recommend a new system instead of upgrading a system that's at the end of its life. You may see it as saving money, but it is only delaying an inevitable upgrade, and then you have sunk money into an old machine and will still have to purchase a new machine eventually. Not to mention that having two machines is a huge speed up for any workflow, you can have one box rendering or encoding while you work away on the other. That said: I think 120 gb should be enough for a cache for the kinds of projects you have described. Instead of buying a 250, I'd spend the money on a second drive and run them in raid 0. This nearly doubles your I/O speeds. The only drawback is if one drive fails you lose the info on both. However if you are using it mainly for cache and temp projects, and back up the info to your main hdd that shouldn't be an issue. The speed difference between a core i7 930 and the 3770k is immense. We are talking about nearly a 100% boost in render speed from the cpu upgrade alone... On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Anders Sundstedt w= rote: > Great Robert, > I think a fresh install of Windows is in place soon. > I don=92t know if images can be attached in AE Mail list of screen shots= , > but I looked up what my current upgraded disk setup is (from disk > management tool): > Disk 0: 140 GB NTFS (G: ) > Disk 1: 2 TB divided into two partitions (E: and F: > ) > Disk 2: 1 TB NTFS > Disk 3: 60 GB SSD (windows & software) > I also have around 10 TB of external USB disk space but I guess that is > nothing I can use to speed things up [image: Winking smile] > > I could re-install the SSD and get one more SSD for cache, but there are > no disk connectors for any more HDDs so one of the other above would need > to be removed ;-( > > Then it=92s a question what generation of SSD to get, would a 120 GB be > enough for cache or 240? > > Anders > > *From:* Robert Kjettrup > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:20 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for After > Effects work for a budget of $1500? > > > >> Thanks Todd & Mylenium, >> >> That makes sense, how much SSD disk cache is recommended for AE? I use m= y >> only SSD for Windows as it=92s only 60 GB and I thought that wasn=92t en= ough >> for disk cache? >> (one problem is that I=92ve only got 4GB free on the SSD) >> It would be great to know the importance of RAM vs SSD cache vs CPU spee= d >> and cores, is there a performance calculator for that online? >> >> Thanks >> Anders >> >> > > Get that SSD some more room, 4GB is way too little free space. Normally a > SSD needs some extra headroom to perform at its best... or that is what i > have been told by more knowledgeable people. > > I have set up my AE to use 500GB on a 3x256GB SSD raid-0, and that fills > up pretty quickly, so i would recommend to setup the cache to as much as > you can afford. :-) > Actually it is always full on 500GB, but AE is nice enough to just delete > the oldest cache when it runs out of the allocated amount. Right Todd? > > - Robert > > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --001a11c2395c09dd8f04dcc3b82b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anders, I would really recommend a new system in= stead of upgrading a system that's at the end of its life. You may see = it as saving money, but it is only delaying an inevitable upgrade, and then= you have sunk money into an old machine and will still have to purchase a = new machine eventually. Not to mention that having two machines is a huge s= peed up for any workflow, you can have one box rendering or encoding while = you work away on the other.

That said: I think 120 gb should be enough for a cache for the ki= nds of projects you have described. Instead of buying a 250, I'd spend = the money on a second drive and run them in raid 0. This nearly doubles you= r I/O speeds. The only drawback is if one drive fails you lose the info on = both. However if you are using it mainly for cache and temp projects, and b= ack up the info to your main hdd that shouldn't be an issue.

The speed difference between a core i7 930 and the 3770k is immen= se. We are talking about nearly a 100% boost in render speed from the cpu u= pgrade alone...


On Wed,= May 15, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Anders Sundstedt <sundstedt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Great Robert,
I think a fresh install of Windows is in place soon.
I don=92t know if images can be attached in AE Mail list of screen sho= ts, but=20 I looked up what my current upgraded disk setup is (from disk management=20 tool):
Disk 0: 140 GB NTFS (G: )
Disk 1: 2 TB divided into two partitions = (E:=20 and F:=20
)
Disk 2:=20 1 TB NTFS
Disk 3:=20 60 GB SSD (windows & software)
I also=20 have around 10 TB of external USB disk space but I guess that is nothing I = can=20 use to speed things up 3D"Winking

I=20 could re-install the SSD and get one more SSD for cache, but there are no d= isk=20 connectors for any more HDDs so one of the other above would need to be rem= oved=20 ;-(

Then it=92s a question what generation of SSD to get, would a 12= 0 GB be=20 enough for cache or 240?

Anders
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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for = After=20 Effects work for a budget of $1500?
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Thanks Todd & Mylenium,
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That makes sense, how much SSD disk cache is recommended for AE? I u= se my=20 only SSD for Windows as it=92s only 60 GB and I thought that wasn=92t eno= ugh for=20 disk cache?
(one problem is that I=92ve only got 4GB free on the SSD)<= /div>
It would be great to know the importance of RAM vs SSD cache vs CPU = speed=20 and cores, is there a performance calculator for that=20 online?

Thanks
Anders
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Get that SSD some more room, 4GB is way too little free space. Normall= y a=20 SSD needs some extra headroom to perform at its best... or that is what i h= ave=20 been told by more knowledgeable people.
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I have set up my AE to use 500GB on a 3x256GB SSD raid-0, and that fil= ls up=20 pretty quickly, so i would recommend to setup the cache to as much as you c= an=20 afford. :-)
Actually it is always full on 500GB, but AE is nice enough to just del= ete=20 the oldest cache when it runs out of the allocated amount. Right Todd?
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- Robert
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