Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com ([209.85.216.45] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5072006 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:58:26 +0200 Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ii15so1060101qab.4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=ZbWHyA0IdUHFeVwMdwHxks0E1JiY5fsH/PZ/+/jrAR0=; b=np0j0Oppioo7mfxzh4meZ+/uuu1NYyF89dj3JxZNZg/KddIhwDRUDvqcr9w8QpWFE8 BFH0/Ei5BTNlDIGo8OZ+FEj5Ds38MIHnOhPXp9aRcK4RyPRGldxAqZfPHPnfrqU8K26o xmswJhGHFjAYfUL/a1iUrckOpPPB5isJLgp8gvcANyF7kfZfqB/xG7TTuiLmOo4utNC+ D1Sm4B7tjIxLDB/pG8dAJf7lirLFQnVqLhMtnnjYkNRYHK9FnLMHORONmbYttnf1S9Ti GTzKuZAVKVr5JLbhnqQ/+/XvCodJBu+zlBdVjPKBwQ8+d0qVeUJttma5p0Wvu9aGlxiT g2Rg== X-Received: by 10.229.23.66 with SMTP id q2mr5667566qcb.110.1368634046650; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:07:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.95.234 with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2013 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:06:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan raytracing benchmarks To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d7b4fe2da74f04dcc3f251 --14dae9d7b4fe2da74f04dcc3f251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rodrigo - I'm using Asus GPU tweak because the card was from Asus but the process should be the same. I'd highly recommend grabbing GPU-Z http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ and switching to watch the sensors tab while overclocking. I find the manufacturer's monitoring tools to be lacking. Then I'd load up the AE benchmark file I posted in the beginning of this thread to test the tweaking. So I discovered two very important things when doing this - fan speed is critical for OC on the titan, because the card monitors its own temp separate from the OC interface, and 2) Don't touch the memory clock or voltage settings. At all. When first overclocking I'd notice that as soon as temps hit 75c+ the card would throttle down. Then I loaded up GPUZ and saw that happen in real time, the clock speed would jump between 640 and 900 mhz seemingly at random. This was when I had been playing with the min. voltage and memory clock. So first set the fan speed to manual and bump it to 65-75% fan speed. apply setting and watch the temps drop. Instead of thinking like an old card, where you are giving it explicit instruction to OC, you have to think of giving the Titan "suggestions" - you provide optimal conditions for it to overclock itself! It has very intelligent heat and voltage regulators outside of the user's control. So after you give it the thermal overhead by forcing the fan faster, keep increasing the GPU clock in increments of say, 20 mhz. Now because this not an "explicit" speed for the clock to run at, you can push this pretty far. After increasing fan speed I got the boost clock to 1110 mhz, and very stable. The card set its own voltage to around 1050mV. No fluctuations in clock speed while rendering in AE. This killed the benchmark at 3:40, my fastest time ever. Watch the clock speed in GPU-Z to verify it's staying pegged. I'd love to see your results. Every card is different so you may have to play around with it. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Rodrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH < rodrigo.olmos@animares.com> wrote: > Hi Teddy,**** > > ** ** > > I have had the same experience. My OC-settings led to slower renders.**** > > Do you use =E2=80=98EVGA Precision X=E2=80=99 for overclocking?**** > > ** ** > > > If anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to share.**** > > Yes, pleeease. ;-)**** > > ** ** > > > But so far, I'm very impressed with the Titan's performance in AE, c4d > and maya.**** > > Same here with AE, 3ds max and mudbox.**** > > ** ** > > -rodrigo**** > > ** ** > > www.animares.com**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From**:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Teddy Gage > *Sent**:* Wednesday, Mai 15, 2013 04:08 > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject**:* Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks**** > > ** ** > > I just got a GTX Titan and wanted to post my numbers. I had a very > interesting experience overclocking the titan. It does not behave like an= y > other card. The card itself decides most variables. I needed to have GPU-= Z > open to figure out what was going on; initially, when overclocking, I was > getting SLOWER renders than at "stock speed." this is because the hardwar= e > manages boost largely by itself at "stock" and actually does quite a good > job at it. You need to tweak very specifically to get a stable OC. If > anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to share. But so far, I'm very > impressed with the Titan's performance in AE, c4d and maya. Especially wh= en > factoring in a) it is a single-gpu solution b) 6GB RAM more than any > consumer card and c) low power and heat for its class. > > intel 3930K @ 4.6 ghz, with Titan @ stock speed =3D 3:57 > intel 3930K @ 4.6 ghz, with Titan OC @ 1110 mhz base clock =3D 3:40 > > doesn't seem like much, but it's actually quite a boost when considering > longer renders. > I will be testing this against a 2x GTX 580 in SLI, but still waiting on > my second card for my second workstation. > > right now > > GTX 580 3GB I am getting 5 min 5 sec with GPU clock at 925 mhz, or 5:45 a= t > stock speed. testbed is intel 3770k @ 4.7 ghz**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Rodrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH < > rodrigo.olmos@animares.com> wrote:**** > > You are welcome ;-)**** > > **** > > -rodrigo**** > > **** > > .**** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *rendernyc > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 05:21**** > > > *To:* After Effects Mail List**** > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks**** > > **** > > cool, thanks for the info, I added it to the charts as well @ > http://www.loopoutcontinue.com/CUDA/**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rodrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH < > rodrigo.olmos@animares.com> wrote:**** > > I have following results:**** > > **** > > *robot4JS.aep:* Time 00:10:44**** > > 2x X5550 @ 2.67ghz, 48GB RAM, GTX Titan 6GB, 2688 Cuda Cores**** > > **** > > **** > > *CS6 11.1 RAYTRACE BENCHMARK.aep:* Time:00:04:16 (new try)**** > > 2x X5550 @ 2.67ghz, 48GB RAM, GTX Titan 6GB, 2688 Cuda Cores**** > > **** > > **** > > -rodrigo**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > * ***** > > **** > > **** > > I have to post the file on my site still but here's a link **** > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/b0ixxyqths6eqdn/robot4JS.aep**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > > On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "Jim Tierney" wrote= : > **** > > Ah. So many little hidden files=E2=80=A6**** > > **** > > Thanks, that solved it. Results:**** > > **** > > i7-3770@3.4ghz, 8gb RAM, GTX Titan- Time: 00:04:01**** > > **** > > I=E2=80=99ll post times for 690, 570, and Q4000 tomorrow.**** > > **** > > **** > > Cheers,**** > > Jim**** > > --------------- **** > > Jim Tierney**** > > President**** > > Digital Anarchy**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] > *On Behalf Of *Rodrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:53 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks**** > > **** > > Hi Jim,**** > > **** > > first you have to copy the file =E2=80=98raytracer_supported_cards.txt=E2= =80=99 on to the > desktop.**** > > **** > > Then type this in the list of supported cards:**** > > GeForce GTX TITAN**** > > **** > > Save and copy that file back into the =E2=80=98Support Files=E2=80=99 fol= der.**** > > **** > > My titan works fine on CS6 / Win7.**** > > **** > > - rodrigo**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] > *On Behalf Of *Jim Tierney > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 07:37 > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks**** > > **** > > Did you have any trouble getting AE to recognize the Titan? I=E2=80=99m j= ust > getting =E2=80=98incompatible device or driver=E2=80=99. :-\ (runnin= g Windows 8=E2=80=A6 which > I don=E2=80=99t recommend upgrading to)**** > > **** > > Drivers are updated, Premiere seems to recognize it (I listed it the > supported_cards file), but AE is showing CUDA grayed out and won=E2=80=99= t use the > GPU. Not sure what=E2=80=99s up. Any thoughts would be appreciated.**** > > **** > > **** > > Cheers,**** > > Jim**** > > --------------- **** > > Jim Tierney**** > > President**** > > Digital Anarchy**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] > *On Behalf Of *Teddy Gage > *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2013 1:19 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks**** > > **** > > my project is available here > http://www.teddygage.com/AEBENCHCS6/ > > but obviously the results are different than Dan's bench**** > > **** > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rich Young wrote:**= * > * > > Can we get the project to test ourselves? > > Rich > > > --- On *Mon, 4/22/13, rendernyc * wrote:**** > > > From: rendernyc > Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan > raytracing benchmarks > To: "After Effects Mail List" > Date: Monday, April 22, 2013, 7:04 AM**** > > i ran a different scene on the new imac with the 680.**** > > results are here**** > > http://www.loopoutcontinue.com/CUDA/**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Szabo Gergo > > wrote:**** > > I would be curious about the results of the new iMacs mx680 card... Can > amybod post a reszlt with that card?**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > Gary > > Az iPhone k=C3=A9sz=C3=BCl=C3=A9kemr=C5=91l k=C3=BCldve**** > > > 2013.04.21. d=C3=A1tummal, 22:40 id=C5=91pontban Teddy Gage > > =C3=ADrta:**** > > So a while ago I posted an AE graphic card benchmark at creative cow > that has gotten a lot of responses, so I threw together a quick, readable > spreadsheet of the results. I was mainly curious about compute performanc= e > of the new titan card vs. last gen 5xx cards and the kepler 6xx series. I > wanted to see if the titan was worth the extra $1,000, because it is in > fact a consumer version of the nvidia k20 tesla which costs over $3k. The > results were very interesting. The original thread is here > > http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1019120#1035979**** > > And I have posted the spreadsheets (and benchmark file) on my server at > > http://www.teddygage.com/AEBENCHCS6/ > **** > > **** > > What I would love to add are any results with the newer quadros (5000 / > 6000) or any tesla card.**** > > Furthermore I'd be interested to hear any thoughts from 3D users about > their experiences using an AMD 7950 vs nvidia consumer card for viewport = 3D > (using zbrush / maya / or C4D especially)**** > > The amount of C4D work I've been doing has only increased in the last yea= r > and I can imagine when CS7 comes out that's only going to increase. > viewport accuracy is going to be of a larger concern and nvidia is using = a > poor strategy to differentiate the quadros by gimping compute performance > in the 6xx consumer cards.**** > > Would also love to hear any thoughts on these results, I'll refrain from > saying what I think until people get a chance to check it out.**** > > -TG**** > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > danny princz > > exposedideas.com **** > > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > danny princz > > exposedideas.com **** > > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn**** > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --14dae9d7b4fe2da74f04dcc3f251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Rodrigo -

I'm using Asus= GPU tweak because the card was from Asus but the process should be the sam= e. I'd highly recommend grabbing GPU-Z http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ and switching to watch th= e sensors tab while overclocking. I find the manufacturer's monitoring = tools to be lacking. Then I'd load up the AE benchmark file I posted in= the beginning of this thread to test the tweaking.

So I discovered two very important things when doing this - = fan speed is critical for OC on the titan, because the card monitors its ow= n temp separate from the OC interface, and 2) Don't touch the memory cl= ock or voltage settings. At all. When first overclocking I'd notice tha= t as soon as temps hit 75c+ the card would throttle down. Then I loaded up = GPUZ and saw that happen in real time, the clock speed would jump between 6= 40 and 900 mhz seemingly at random. This was when I had been playing with t= he min. voltage and memory clock.

So first set the fan speed to manual and bump it to 65-75% f= an speed. apply setting and watch the temps drop. Instead of thinking like = an old card, where you are giving it explicit instruction to OC, you have t= o think of giving the Titan "suggestions" - you provide optimal c= onditions for it to overclock itself!

It has very intelligent heat and voltage regulators outside = of the user's control. So after you give it the thermal overhead by for= cing the fan faster, keep increasing the GPU clock in increments of say, 20= mhz. Now because this not an "explicit" speed for the clock to r= un at, you can push this pretty far. After increasing fan speed I got the b= oost clock to 1110 mhz, and very stable. The card set its own voltage to ar= ound 1050mV.  No fluctuations in clock speed while rendering in AE. Th= is killed the benchmark at 3:40, my fastest time ever. Watch the clock spee= d in GPU-Z to verify it's staying pegged.

I'd love to see your results. Every card is different so= you may have to play around with it.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:16 AM, R= odrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH <rodrigo.olmos@animares.com>= wrote:

Hi Teddy,=

 

I have had the = same experience. My OC-settings led to slower renders.=

Do you use &lsq= uo;EVGA Precision X’ for overclocking?

 

> If anyone wants to know more I'd be happy t= o share.

Yes, plee= ease. ;-)

 

> But so far, I'm very impressed with the Tit= an's performance in AE, c4d and maya.

Same here= with AE, 3ds max and mudbox.

 

-rodrigo=

 

www.animares.com=

 =

 

= From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Wednesday, Mai 15, 2013 04:08

To: After Effects Mail List
Sub= ject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan raytracing benchma= rks

 

I just got a GTX Titan and wanted to post my numbers= . I had a very interesting experience overclocking the titan. It does not b= ehave like any other card. The card itself decides most variables. I needed= to have GPU-Z open to figure out what was going on; initially, when overclocking, I was getting SLOWER rend= ers than at "stock speed." this is because the hardware manages b= oost largely by itself at "stock" and actually does quite a good = job at it. You need to tweak very specifically to get a stable OC. If anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to share. But s= o far, I'm very impressed with the Titan's performance in AE, c4d a= nd maya. Especially when factoring in a) it is a single-gpu solution b) 6GB= RAM more than any consumer card and c) low power and heat for its class.

intel 3930K @ 4.6 ghz, with Titan @ stock speed =3D 3:57
intel 3930K @ 4.6 ghz, with Titan OC @ 1110 mhz base clock =3D 3:40

doesn't seem like much, but it's actually quite a boost when consid= ering longer renders.
I will be testing this against a 2x GTX 580 in SLI, but still waiting on my= second card for my second workstation.

right now

GTX 580 3GB I am getting 5 min 5 sec with GPU clock at 925 mhz, or 5:45 at = stock speed. testbed is intel 3770k @ 4.7 ghz

 <= /p>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Rodrigo Olmos | AN= IMA RES GmbH <rodrigo.olmos@animares.com> wrote:

You are welcome ;-)<= /u>

 

-rodrigo<= /p>

 

.

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of rendernyc
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 05:21


To: After Effects Mail List

Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - = Titan raytracing benchmarks

 

cool, thanks for the info, I added it to the charts = as well @ http://www.loopoutcontinue.com/CUDA/

 

 

 

 <= /p>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Rodrigo Olmos | AN= IMA RES GmbH <rodrigo.olmos@animares.com> wrote:

I have followin= g results:

 

robot4JS.aep= : Time 00:10:44

2x X5550 @ 2.67= ghz, 48GB RAM, GTX Titan 6GB, 2688 Cuda Cores

 

 

CS6 11.1 RAY= TRACE BENCHMARK.aep: Time:00:04:16 (new try)

2x X5550 @ 2.67= ghz, 48GB RAM, GTX Titan 6GB, 2688 Cuda Cores

 

 

-rodrigo=

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to post the file on my site still but here= 9;s a link 

 


On Apr 24, 2013, at 5:11 AM, "Jim Tierney" <jim@digitalanarchy.com> wr= ote:

Ah. So many little hidden= files…

 

Thanks, that solved it. R= esults:

 

i7-3770@3.4ghz, 8gb RAM, GTX Titan- &nb= sp;  Time: 00:04:01

 

I’ll post times for= 690, 570, and Q4000 tomorrow.

 

 

Cheers,<= /u>

Jim<= /p>

--------------- 

Jim Tierney=

President

Digital Anarchy=

 

 

 

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Olmos | ANIMA RES GmbH
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:53 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan ray= tracing benchmarks

 

Hi Jim,

 

first you have to copy the fil= e ‘raytracer_supported_cards.txt’ on to the desktop.<= /u>

 

Then type this in the list of = supported cards:

GeForce GTX TITAN

 

Save and copy that file back i= nto the ‘Support Files’ folder.

 

My titan works fine on CS6 / W= in7.

 

- rodrigo=

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

 

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Jim Tierney
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 07:37
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan ray= tracing benchmarks

 

Did you have any trouble = getting AE to recognize the Titan? I’m just getting ‘incompatib= le device or driver’.   :-\    (running Windows 8&hel= lip; which I don’t recommend upgrading to)

 

Drivers are updated, Prem= iere seems to recognize it (I listed it the supported_cards file), but AE is showing CUDA grayed out and won’t use the GPU. Not sure what&rsqu= o;s up. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

 

Cheers,<= /u>

Jim<= /p>

--------------- 

Jim Tierney=

President

Digital Anarchy=

 

 

 

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:19 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan ray= tracing benchmarks

 

my project is available here
http://w= ww.teddygage.com/AEBENCHCS6/

but obviously the results are different than Dan's bench<= /p>

 <= /p>

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rich Young <aefilter@yahoo.com&= gt; wrote:

Can we get the project to test ourselves?

Rich


--- On Mon, 4/22/13, rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:=


From: rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] yet another graphics cards thread - Titan raytracing= benchmarks
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2013, 7:04 AM

i ran a different scene on the new imac with the 680= .

results are here

 

 

 <= /p>

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Szabo Gergo <fo= rmic.gergo@gmail.com> wrote:

I would be curious about the results of the new iMac= s mx680 card... Can amybod post a reszlt with that card?

 

Thanks

Gary

Az iPhone k=E9sz=FCl=E9kemr=F5l k=FCldve


2013.04.21. d=E1tummal, 22:40 id=F5pontban Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com= > =EDrta:

So a while ago I post= ed an AE graphic card benchmark at creative cow that has gotten a lot of re= sponses, so I threw together a quick, readable spreadsheet of the results. = I was mainly curious about compute performance of the new titan card vs. last gen 5xx c= ards and the kepler 6xx series. I wanted to see if the titan was worth the = extra $1,000, because it is in fact a consumer version of the nvidia k20 te= sla which costs over $3k. The results were very interesting. The original thread is here

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1019120#1035979

And I have posted the spreadsheets (and benchmark fi= le) on my server at

http://w= ww.teddygage.com/AEBENCHCS6/

 

What I would love to = add are any results with the newer quadros (5000 / 6000) or any tesla card.=

Furthermore I'd b= e interested to hear any thoughts from 3D users about their experiences usi= ng an AMD 7950 vs nvidia consumer card for viewport 3D (using zbrush / maya= / or C4D especially)

The amount of C4D wor= k I've been doing has only increased in the last year and I can imagine= when CS7 comes out that's only going to increase. viewport accuracy is= going to be of a larger concern and nvidia is using a poor strategy to differentiate the quadros b= y gimping compute performance in the 6xx consumer cards.

Would also love to hear any thoughts on these result= s, I'll refrain from saying what I think until people get a chance to c= heck it out.

-TG



--
Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn



 

--
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exposedideas.com =




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www.teddygage.com
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exposedideas.com =




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Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn




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Brooklyn
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