Return-Path: Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com ([209.85.215.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5095073 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:30:37 +0200 Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id a11so39578eae.12 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 03:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=XISw7FU/LTRx6H/0sxZphCV2GFKsCq9TWPfJ6YYiYhs=; b=ayXVGONmlyZ74pVG0he62QuZymR1amumiBx+711nvC1FAOa6IXpzX4se5VK3weq3e3 rhoTTr5EDk0vNlQkYHwnDj3fRt40GVrDiRrLywCNVhhTCTWc6ACylqRGu4+03IPPXmez UvST9B4mzfdw6QhFxZogZ1uLaMrhjaQutrfWYinfODJkH4et4hD+iS+mY5yz3oTeE0S7 iTowJEYd2RHcoXLA8LkFi9XH97LTrqDh2glrwjR4MOuys8pf6P2hCA0ozW6dJcf8sAQQ DVMDCcot5E4fpxMU1IkBXPSf9ZcKDcFB7VnAXBjW31ZnC42G5wgw04aiZBcEy9dS/zJN zQNg== X-Received: by 10.15.100.129 with SMTP id bn1mr18238824eeb.93.1370342416703; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 03:40:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.129.7 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 03:39:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jayse Hansen Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 03:39:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] AE to QT Color Problem To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01633f70f8023404de51b490 --089e01633f70f8023404de51b490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've found a way that works for me at least. It's the single most annoying thing about quicktime. I've spent years dealing with that crap LoL. I've done all of the above - many times in many different ways (even many variations of x264) and nothing works reliably. Problem is you don't know if your clients are using QT7, 10 - or whatever - and having them change their QT is also an unknown variable I'd rather not deal with. But with *way* too much trial and error I've discovered something that works, at last - at least for me in my current setup. And it's so simple: In AE project settings, enable color management, set as sRGB, and check the checkbox for match legacy. Bam - now you can render your QT's h264's alongside jpg sequences or whatever and they will all match between qt7, qt10, sequences etc. to about 99% - which is sooooo much better than the nasty 60% gamma/sat shift you usually experience. I guess qt is expecting some srgb color management? I decided to try it after reading Ken Rockwell's article on photography color management ( http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/color-management/is-for-wimps.htm) and how just making everything sRGB is a reliable way to work on stills because most everything assumes sRGB. I thought - well QT is pretty consumer-based, decided to try it for video and voila... who would have known. Hope it works for you. // jayse -------------------------------- Jayse Hansen Fake UI design for Cinema www.jayse.tv jayse@jayse.tv 702-321-3449 On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM, David Torno wrote: > No pro uses Quicktime exporting for anything else but basic reviewing > > I'd be careful saying that. Plenty of pros use QT for more than just > previewing. ;) > Final delivery in some cases. The codec is what makes the difference. > > > David Torno > Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor > http://www.ghosttownmedia.com > O: 213.739.2290 > C: 818.391.6060 > --------------------- > http://www.sydefxink.com > http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com > http://mactex.blogspot.com > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Olivier Burri wrote: > > Use Image Sequence instead. > It's a known problem. > No pro uses Quicktime exporting for anything else but basic reviewing > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:08 AM, David Torno wrote: > >> Ya, I use to use x264. It was amazing, but it always seemed to stop >> working after a few weeks or so. It would just cause a crash for any app >> using the codec. When it was working, it was great and did replicate col= or >> very accurately. Unfortunately it was too unstable for me, so I had to >> ditch it. >> >> >> David Torno >> Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> --------------------- >> http://www.sydefxink.com >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >> http://mactex.blogspot.com >> >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >> >> On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Chris Meyer wrote: >> >> That work around doesn't always work. I far prefer to use the x264 >> variant of the h.264 codec. >> >> Background: >> http://provideocoalition.com/cmg_keyframes/story/brightness_issues_with_= h264_quicktime_movies >> >> I'll email you the codec separately. Install in Library > QuickTime. >> >> - Chris >> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> Chris Meyer | Crish Design >> http://www.crishdesign.com >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Lachlan Westfall >> wrote: >> >> Thanks.... Trying this now... >> >> -L >> >> On 6/3/13 5:53 PM, "David Torno" wrote: >> >> H.264 rendered from AE or exported from QT Pro will always come out >> washed out and pale in the saturation. In QT Pro you need to open "Show >> Movie Properties" under window, select "Video Track" > "Visual Settings= " >> and click the "Transparency" dropdown and choose "Composition". This wil= l >> bring the video gamma very closely back to the original source. >> >> David Torno >> Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> --------------------- >> http://www.sydefxink.com >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >> http://mactex.blogspot.com >> >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >> >> On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Lachlan Westfall >> wrote: >> >> Re: [AE] AE to QT Color Problem I=92m rendering out lossless, then >> converting to H.264 via QT. The problem can be seen even in the lossless >> version. >> >> I also just found something in the AE preferences about matching legacy >> QT gamma adjustments. I wonder if this has something to do with it? >> >> -L >> >> On 6/3/13 5:37 PM, "scott.aelist" wrote: >> >> What codec are you using? >> >> >> >> >> >> > --089e01633f70f8023404de51b490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've found a way that works for me at least. It's = the single most annoying thing about quicktime. I've spent years dealin= g with that crap LoL. I've done all of the above - many times in many d= ifferent ways (even many variations of x264) and nothing works reliably. Pr= oblem is you don't know if your clients are using QT7, 10 - or whatever= - and having them change their QT is also an unknown variable I'd rath= er not deal with.=A0

But with way too much trial and error=A0I'v= e discovered=A0something that works, at last - at least for me in my curren= t setup. And it's so simple:

In AE= project settings, enable color management, set as sRGB, and check the chec= kbox for match legacy.=A0

Bam - now you can render your QT's h264= 's alongside jpg sequences or whatever and they will all match between = qt7, qt10, sequences etc. to about 99% - which is sooooo much better than t= he nasty 60% gamma/sat shift you usually experience.=A0

I guess qt is expecting some srgb color man= agement? I decided to try it after reading Ken Rockwell's article on ph= otography color management (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/color-manage= ment/is-for-wimps.htm) and how just making everything sRGB is a reliabl= e way to work on stills because most everything assumes sRGB. I thought - w= ell QT is pretty consumer-based, decided to try it for video and voila... w= ho would have known.=A0

Hope it works for you.=A0
<= br>
// jayse


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Jayse Hansen
Fake UI design for Cinema
jayse@jayse.tv
702-321-3449



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM, David T= orno <torno@sydefxink.com> wrote:
No pro uses Quicktime exporting for anything else but basic review= ing
I'd be careful saying that. Plenty of pros = use QT for more than just previewing. ;)
Final delivery in some cases. The codec is what makes the difference.<= /div>


David Torno
Visual Eff= ects Artist & Supervisor
--------------------= -
http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com

"The most useless day is that in which we do= not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Olivier Burri <ogburri@gmail.com> wrote= :

Use Image Sequenc= e instead.
It's a known problem.
No pro uses Quicktime ex= porting for anything else but basic reviewing


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:08 AM, David Torno <torno@sydefxink.com&g= t; wrote:
Ya, I use to use x264. It was amazing, but it always= seemed to stop working after a few weeks or so. It would just cause a cras= h for any app using the codec. When it was working, it was great and did re= plicate color very accurately. Unfortunately it was too unstable for me, so= I had to ditch it.


David Torno
Visual Effects Artist & = Supervisor
---------------------
http://www.sydefxink.comhttp://a= eioweyou.blogspot.com

"The most useless day is tha= t in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com&g= t; wrote:

That work around does= n't always work. I far prefer to use the x264 variant of the h.264 code= c.

Background: http://provideocoalition.com/cmg_keyframes/story/brightness_issues_with_h2= 64_quicktime_movies

I'll email you the cod= ec separately. Install in Library > QuickTime.

=A0- Chr= is


________________________________________________
Chris Meyer | Crish Des= ign
http://www.= crishdesign.com

On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Lachlan Westfall <lachlan@quietearth.net&= gt; wrote:

Thanks.... Trying this now...

-L

On 6/3/13 5:53 PM, "David Torno" <torno@sydefxink.com> wrote:

H.264 rendered from AE or exported fr= om QT Pro will always come out washed out and pale in the saturation. In QT= Pro you need to open "Show Movie Properties" under window, selec= t =A0"Video Track" > "Visual Settings" and click the= "Transparency" dropdown and choose "Composition". This= will bring the video gamma very closely back to the original source.

David Torno
Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor
http://www.gho= sttownmedia.com
O: 21= 3.739.2290
C: 81= 8.391.6060
---------------------
http://www.sydefxin= k.com
http://aeiowey= ou.blogspot.com
http://mactex.blo= gspot.com

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Lachlan Westfall <lachlan@quietearth.net> wrote:

Re: [AE] AE to QT Color Problem I=92m= rendering out lossless, then converting to H.264 via QT. The problem can b= e seen even in the lossless version.

I also just found something in the AE preferences about matching legacy QT = gamma adjustments. I wonder if this has something to do with it?

-L

On 6/3/13 5:37 PM, "scott.aelist" <scott.aelist@gmail.com> wrote:

What codec are you using?



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