Return-Path: Received: from biz127.inmotionhosting.com ([205.134.238.11] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5101417 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:38:22 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=reelsolutions.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Content-Type:From; bh=QTqKSIGfsjNvRn/0EEqqcBoqwT4oQhyrnp0WCDlWMjg=; b=DoY82O//J7bnt5/O0f8CGnHyCeghvYRrTEt07XFCplZHz3bA1H79Prj80vmLjEShHF405wom0fwcmaL4m6qXjt/aE8PxHvBopqDO7EvUdm1Ksk/Cj+Qy9TfzewLeUBSe; Received: from c-71-202-7-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([71.202.7.62]:50571 helo=[192.168.1.91]) by biz127.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Um90W-00055c-J1 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:48:08 -0700 From: Dennis Wilkins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_727941BA-E9D4-43B9-9EDB-E1724FC97B74" Message-Id: <1864AEA8-477B-4F42-991B-6A06E0763715@reelsolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:48:02 -0700 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz127.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reelsolutions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: dennis@reelsolutions.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_727941BA-E9D4-43B9-9EDB-E1724FC97B74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 If Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to = find out what the average high performance mac user wants=85 I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clocked = water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average user = any better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita=85=20 Most people on this forum bill for their time until they start talking = about how much money they can save building computers... My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile. I = don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of = income. Talk about unnecessary stress. Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that is = blowing air every direction out of multiple components without any = thought whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to = get it out.=20 I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'm = not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to have a = Nvidia card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to = wait and see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far with these = new machines. - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - = they're soldered in. All this is just another biased opinion=85 For what it's worth=85 I = imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than I. Dennis Wilkins=20 On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) overclock = the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a much cheaper = PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to the MP in = terms of both price and render power. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins = wrote: > Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technically = inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra = $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to = the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can = tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers = or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. = The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and = currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores = http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system around that chip for = another $600. You could literally have 3 computers that, together, are = 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level price, before you do = any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your invested stock of pci-e = cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ >=20 >=20 > RAM maximum? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote: >=20 >> what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they plan = for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth?=20 >> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available = bandwidth. >> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) >>=20 >> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> |||| DESILENCE STUDIO >> |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity >> |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) >>=20 >> |||| SOCIAL >> |||| facebook.dslnc.com >> |||| twitter.dslnc.com >>=20 >> |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 >> |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >>=20 >>> =46rom the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right to = be a >>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will = be >>> pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like standard expansion, so = Teddy may >>> be right, this thing may be for the most part, no more configurable = than a >>> laptop. >>>=20 >>> stephen van vuuren >>> 336.202.4777 >>>=20 >>> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >>> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >>> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >>>=20 >>> A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It = should be a >>> progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the = emotion, the >>> meaning, all that comes later. >>> -Stanley Kubrick >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > brian higgins | creative director > Sol Design > 312.706.5500 > higgins@soldesignfx.com > soldesignfx.com > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn --Apple-Mail=_727941BA-E9D4-43B9-9EDB-E1724FC97B74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 If = Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to find = out what the average high performance mac user = wants=85

I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm = of 5 over-clocked water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit = the average user any better than this machine. They can be a time suck = and a pita=85 

Most people on this forum = bill for their time until they start talking about how much money they = can save building computers...

My main = workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile. I don't = want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of income. = Talk about unnecessary stress.

Cooling, you = can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that is blowing air = every direction out of multiple components without any thought = whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to get it = out. 

I was hoping for a rack mount = expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'm not totally hating this new = format yet. It would be nice to have a Nvidia card option. I can't = imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to wait and see. That would be = the biggest mistake I see so far with these new = machines.

 - You haven't been able to = upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - they're soldered = in.

All this is just another biased opinion=85 = For what it's worth=85 I imagine Apple has a better handle on their = customer base than I.

Dennis = Wilkins 



O= n Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

I'd say the point is not that you can or = can't (or wouldn't) overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely = easy to overclock a much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more = valuable when compared to the MP in terms of both price and render = power.


On = Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com> wrote:
Does = anyone actually overclock Mac Pros?  If you're that technically = inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm = guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra $2k. The = fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to the size = and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can tell you = this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers or liquid = hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. The intel = 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and currently = retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system = around that chip for another $600. You could literally have 3 computers = that, together, are 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level = price, before you do any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your = invested stock of pci-e cards, adapters, hard drives, etc.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/


RAM = maximum?




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On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen = wrote:

what is  most cryptic = right now - to me at least - is how they plan for the user to access the = 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth? 
The thunderbolt2 = ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available bandwidth.
I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak = :-)

Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on = that.




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On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

=46rom the Apple = click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right to be a
single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will = be
pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like standard expansion, so = Teddy may
be right, this thing may be for the most part, no more = configurable than a
laptop.

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336.202.4777

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http://www.sv2studios.com/

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