Return-Path: Received: from biz127.inmotionhosting.com ([205.134.238.11] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5101448 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:00:20 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=reelsolutions.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Content-Type:From; bh=tJ4k7fnzY49woVgoO6bT+23jSa3c18zG3uAADvkV+cE=; b=pYsyYpopF+6D5TDUa4UvnfPvtKcV0sxN3pj+//mloZ9T3ItoITmWVmmx0kLR2tnou1jyDFmBU8MHhFv0DKwTDaAq08KlpmuEoGL9hzFqL07CwwcETNMSp+DPd9nCMCil; Received: from c-71-202-7-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([71.202.7.62]:51249 helo=[192.168.1.91]) by biz127.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Um9Ll-0000jh-Ev for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:10:07 -0700 From: Dennis Wilkins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EC3E06CF-0860-4452-A4E0-93A8B7CCBE89" Message-Id: <3AD712A9-00CB-4809-8044-8186DD4235D7@reelsolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:10:03 -0700 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz127.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - reelsolutions.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz127.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: dennis@reelsolutions.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail=_EC3E06CF-0860-4452-A4E0-93A8B7CCBE89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Yeah, I may be wrong about that. For some reason I thought they were. = The upgrade costs at OWC and the fact that you have to send the = processor trays in led me to believe that I guess=85 You'd probably be = better off cost-wise to ebay your slower machine and purchase a faster = one though. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnkey/MacPro/2010_Xeon_Processor Even though I've built several PC's and Hackintoshes, other than adding = Memory/Drives and PCI cards, I don't really mess around with my Main = workstation (Mac Pro). I really don't want to do anything to my main = machine that will keep me from having one point of contact to resolve a = problem (Apple). They don't really care if you have aftermarket RAM or = PCI cards in your machine; I think they might have a problem with CPU = upgrades (they can always take the memory and PCI cards out to = troubleshoot if they want). - Dennis Wilkins On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Elliot Steele wrote: > Say what?? >=20 >=20 > Am 6/10/13 10:48 PM schrieb "Dennis Wilkins" unter = : >=20 > snip... >=20 > - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - = they're soldered in. >=20 > Dennis Wilkins=20 > ...snip >=20 >=20 > Elliot Steele >=20 > = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > digitalMEDIA Technik GmbH >=20 > Am Berg 20 > 91809 Wellheim >=20 > tel.: 08427 985011 > fax: 08427 985012 > handy: 0172 8410163 >=20 > E-Mail: elliot.steele@digitalmediatechnik.de > http://www.digitalmediatechnik.de >=20 > HRB 5012, Amtsgericht Ingolstadt > Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer Elliot Steele > USt-Nr: 124/124/40585 >=20 > = ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 > I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) overclock = the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a much cheaper = PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to the MP in = terms of both price and render power. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins = wrote: > Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technically = inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra = $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to = the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can = tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers = or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. = The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and = currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores = http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system around that chip for = another $600. You could literally have 3 computers that, together, are = 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level price, before you do = any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your invested stock of pci-e = cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ >=20 >=20 > RAM maximum? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote: >=20 > what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they plan = for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth?=20 > The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available = bandwidth. > I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) >=20 > Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > |||| DESILENCE STUDIO > |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity > |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 = 9963 (mobile) >=20 > |||| SOCIAL > |||| facebook.dslnc.com =20 > |||| twitter.dslnc.com =20 >=20 > |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 > |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >=20 > =46rom the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right to = be a > single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will be > pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like standard expansion, so = Teddy may > be right, this thing may be for the most part, no more configurable = than a > laptop. >=20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 =20 >=20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ >=20 > A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It = should be a > progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the = emotion, the > meaning, all that comes later. > -Stanley Kubrick >=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_EC3E06CF-0860-4452-A4E0-93A8B7CCBE89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Yeah, = I may be wrong about that. For some reason I thought they were. The = upgrade costs at OWC and the fact that you have to send the processor = trays in led me to believe that I guess=85 You'd probably be better off = cost-wise to ebay your slower machine and purchase a faster one = though.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnkey/MacPro/2010_Xeon_Processor

Even though I've built several PC's and = Hackintoshes, other than adding Memory/Drives and PCI cards, I don't = really mess around with my Main workstation (Mac Pro). I really don't = want to do anything to my main machine that will keep me from having one = point of contact to resolve a problem (Apple). They don't really = care if you have aftermarket RAM or PCI cards in your machine; I think = they might have a problem with CPU upgrades (they can always take the = memory and PCI cards out to troubleshoot if they = want).

- Dennis = Wilkins


On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:51 = PM, Elliot Steele <elliot@ppdm.de> wrote:

Re: [AE] New MacPro
Say what??


Am 6/10/13 10:48 PM schrieb "Dennis Wilkins" unter <dennis@reelsolutions.com= >:

snip...

- You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - = they're soldered in.

Dennis Wilkins
...snip


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On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

I'd say the point is not that you = can or can't (or wouldn't) overclock the mac pro, it's that it is = extremely easy to overclock a much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even = more valuable when compared to the MP in terms of both price and render = power.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com&g= t; wrote:
Does anyone actually overclock Mac = Pros?  If you're that technically inclined, you've already built a = Hackintosh.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:
I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB = but I'm sure that costs an extra $2k. The fact is, this machine will be = impossible to overclock due to the size and cooling capacity. As someone = who builds computers I can tell you this is simple physics, unless they = are using phase exchangers or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum = entry price point of $3999. The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster = than the 8 core xeon and currently retails for under $500. See my = cinebench scores http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can = build a system around that chip for another $600. You could literally = have 3 computers that, together, are 4x faster than the iWastebasket for = the entry level price, before you do any upgrading to the MP. Let alone = lose all your invested stock of pci-e cards, adapters, hard drives, = etc.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

RAM maximum?




On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote:

what is  most cryptic right = now - to me at least - is how they plan for the user to access the = 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth?
The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available = bandwidth.
I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-)

Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that.




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On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com>= wrote:

=46rom the Apple click-through, it = appears if I'm seeing it right to be a
single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will = be
pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like standard expansion, so Teddy = may
be right, this thing may be for the most part, no more configurable than = a
laptop.

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