Return-Path: Received: from mail.austinmichael.com ([64.238.169.36] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5102595 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:48:48 +0200 Received: from [10.0.1.13] ([70.164.195.224]) by mail.austinmichael.com (IceWarp 9.4.2 RHEL5.3) with ASMTP (SSL) id WQR63736 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:58:36 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro From: Dan Spiess In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:58:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16823A3A-BFBF-4794-B99B-F36C55F8D624@lighthousetv.com> References: To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) God, what a bunch of negative blockheads on this list. I just read all = 60+ posts on this subject. You complain about the price of the new Mac Pro, but you don't know how = much they will sell it for.=20 You complain about the graphics, but you haven't seen any benchmarks. You complain about too many cables, without understanding ANYTHING about = thunderbolt, cause if you did, you'd know you can daisy chain all your = external devices.=20 You don't know how much ram you can get into the Mac Pro, when a simple = check of the Apple web site reveals up to 60 gigs.=20 You perceive a computer that's not fast enough, doesn't have great GPU's = and yet you have NO idea how it will stack up to competitors computers.=20= It's time to get off your high horses and realize that it doe not matter = till we have real world tests. Then you can trash it. Also, I doubt we will see this new computer till most likely early next = year (when Intel releases the new Thunderbolt 2 chips), so lots can = change between now and then. And just because I responded to Dennis' post, does not mean I'm = directing this at him. Dan Spiess On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Wilkins = wrote: > If Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to = find out what the average high performance mac user wants=85 >=20 > I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clocked = water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average user = any better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita=85=20 >=20 > Most people on this forum bill for their time until they start talking = about how much money they can save building computers... >=20 > My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile. = I don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of = income. Talk about unnecessary stress. >=20 > Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that is = blowing air every direction out of multiple components without any = thought whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to = get it out.=20 >=20 > I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'm = not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to have a = Nvidia card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to = wait and see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far with these = new machines. >=20 > - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - = they're soldered in. >=20 > All this is just another biased opinion=85 For what it's worth=85 I = imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than I. >=20 > Dennis Wilkins=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) = overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a = much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to = the MP in terms of both price and render power. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins = wrote: >> Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technically = inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >> I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra = $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to = the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can = tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers = or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. = The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and = currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores = http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system around that chip for = another $600. You could literally have 3 computers that, together, are = 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level price, before you do = any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your invested stock of pci-e = cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >> http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ >>=20 >>=20 >> RAM maximum? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote: >>=20 >>> what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they plan = for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth?=20 >>> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available = bandwidth. >>> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) >>>=20 >>> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> |||| DESILENCE STUDIO >>> |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity >>> |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) >>>=20 >>> |||| SOCIAL >>> |||| facebook.dslnc.com >>> |||| twitter.dslnc.com >>>=20 >>> |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 >>> |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> =46rom the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right = to be a >>>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will = be >>>> pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like standard expansion, so = Teddy may >>>> be right, this thing may be for the most part, no more configurable = than a >>>> laptop. >>>>=20 >>>> stephen van vuuren >>>> 336.202.4777 >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >>>> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >>>> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >>>>=20 >>>> A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It = should be a >>>> progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the = emotion, the >>>> meaning, all that comes later. >>>> -Stanley Kubrick >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> brian higgins | creative director >> Sol Design >> 312.706.5500 >> higgins@soldesignfx.com >> soldesignfx.com >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >=20