Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com ([209.85.220.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5102798 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:32:31 +0200 Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ha12so2239358vcb.21 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Oi6HZyJQA1LD3fdPNORFIDPdse2LIst5wYH4MFRZowU=; b=adhRGRXRpfpUXQjj9mvcfKLm0Gv9/jXw9HhtN4DF/LxV81iwG9Q0sMJ8GksJryYxI2 DfCAh7ZHOidQDMGGpWo8odr5/FYDhEmS+MCv7myGDrG/oLX45TV7zeJozQT5oIck7729 wTBLEogGIcra49Y3S3FrBLiqlybHFDfPVlloqK90+7AenMIxmwbbWmdEnlbcErG8ROpM OCysL4ndT9a8b2KM10lep6vfdX+2Zuu7WZ6plloXgcrYFW7ZH2QPgjKCC1mkyJxAu916 QHwBhdsnwuFmLc8NSibgzDzh4S6lOKB8zRmUM4uFcEkJnHqkZe481U9B/JvRfbwT39xH truQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.236.135 with SMTP id uu7mr7405942vdc.61.1370986943507; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.112.161 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:42:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro From: Darby Edelen To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011822e0c279ca04dee7c50f --089e011822e0c279ca04dee7c50f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The biggest problem I have with an i7 is that I can't have two of them on a motherboard. In any rendering scenario I'm familiar with (AE, C4D, Maya, Nuke) I want as much RAM and as many cores as I can fit into my budget/computer case. The new Mac Pro was clearly not designed with that in mind. It's always been pay more and get less when buying Apple. Historically this has been especially true in unique form factor devices but I don't care what my computer looks like. -Darby On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Steve Oakley wrote= : > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Dennis Wilkins > wrote: > > Apple has not said how many slots are available or what the RAM limit > will be, There are non ECC 32GB RAM sticks available, so 4 slots could ho= ld > 128GB fairly easily (or they could add 4 more slots, what they're showin= g > is a preview of the next Mac Pro)=85 > > the pix pretty clearly show 4. I'd be happy with 32gb. > > > > The fact that they're using one 12-core chip vs the two that are needed > currently could point to a potential cost savings (Xeon chips are very > expensive). > > as of today, newegg pricing : 8 core 2ghz Xeon $1139. figure apple pays > around $1k, faster ones even more. 6 core 2ghz $424 so maybe apple can h= it > a $2500 price point. > > > If you think i7 chips are fast, look at the C4D benchmarks that are > available (http://www.cbscores.com); Xeon's still rule on the high-end, > sorry. > > maybe, but I don't see an ROI on spending 50% more for 10-15% faster. I > don't need the fastest CPU, just one thats really fast. my i7 2.93 4core > averages 5% than my zeon 4X2 2.8 tower. the i7's have more than good enou= gh > performance. > > > You won't think the CUDA 3d rendering in AE is "fast", when you are abl= e > to use the CPU rendering in C4D=85 > > I have absolutely no plans to use C4D so thats irrelevant. I only care > about AE's rendering speed because thats all I use. do I think CUDA > rendering is as fast as it could be ? no, but its also V1.0 > > S > > > > > - On the one hand I want a CUDA option, but in the end isn't it better > that Open CL become the standard? Even if Nvidia cards have been faster i= n > recent years, do you really want Nvidia to have a lock on this market? Wh= o > is in a better position to see that this doesn't happen? Why isn't anyone > mad that Nvidia doesn't open source or license CUDA? > > > > We don't know currently how fast the GPU's will be, but Grant Petty > seems to be a fan. Resolve is probably one of the best examples of a high= ly > GPU accelerated app, so I would take his opinion as a good sign. > > > > - Dennis Wilkins > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Steve Oakley > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Dan Spiess > wrote: > >>> You complain about the price of the new Mac Pro, but you don't know > how much they will sell it for. > >> > >> ZENON chips are horribly overpriced at upwards of $1k ea from intel. > that gives us a quick ballpark. we also have previous model pricing using > the same chips as a guide line. quite possibly intel will cut apple a dea= l > on what are now pretty old CPU's > >> > >>> You complain about the graphics, but you haven't seen any benchmarks. > >> > >> maybe. however they again are not saying latest greatest chips but som= e > what slower performing firepro chips. no secret about this based on all > prior models. the fact is ATI doesn't support CUDA which means no GPU ray > tracing in AE which I use quite a bit. CPU rendering is really unusable. > >> > >>> You complain about too many cables, without understanding ANYTHING > about thunderbolt, cause if you did, you'd know you can daisy chain all > your external devices. > >> > >> I'm not complaining about this... except for the TB premium on > everything. > >> > >>> You don't know how much ram you can get into the Mac Pro, when a > simple check of the Apple web site reveals up to 60 gigs. > >> > >> 64gb. its F'ing ECC ram though which is $$$$. hopefully standard > non-ECC ram will work making for a less painful price. 8gb chips are > cheaper to expect to put 32gb in it if your cash is not unlimited. > >> > >>> You perceive a computer that's not fast enough, doesn't have great > GPU's and yet you have NO idea how it will stack up to competitors > computers. > >> > >> give or take 5%, we already know where it will benchmark. its old > chips. there are faster chips now including the i7 series. > >> > >>> Also, I doubt we will see this new computer till most likely early > next year (when Intel releases the new Thunderbolt 2 chips), so lots can > change between now and then. > >> > >> unfortunately apple has placed most power users into a corner. I > expect the old towers to maintain a high near new used price :( for being > able to have your choice of GPU's. if it weren't for the K5000 I'm runnin= g > right now I would of been forced to upgrade into a better machine. howeve= r > the last 2 rounds of GPU upgrades have kept my 2008 tower perfectly > serviceable. I just had an ad agency guy in here who commented how fast m= y > system was while editing :) > >> > >> so realistically I see 3 choices assuming the iWasteBasket is $3k+... > an 27" i7 iMac will equal or out perform it for $1K less, a hackinstosh, = go > PC :( > >> > >> you also missed that there is no internal space for any spinning > drives. Sorry but with 4 drives + SSD in my tower, I need the SSD for > speed, the spinning drives for speed + space thats fast. spending $300-$5= 00 > for a TB case to hold 4 drives is crazy. once you add in that the price > performance ratio gets even worse. this is a business and the ROI has to = be > there. I'm not seeing it with this thing. > >> > >> please don't get me wrong, I really wish apple has delivered something > very close to this, but with dual 16X PCIe slots and your choice of GPU, > and 4-5 drive holes. it wouldn't of been a much larger case and would of > hit a far better price point because of all the extra stuff you would not > need to add. > >> > >> S > >> > >> > >>> > >>> And just because I responded to Dennis' post, does not mean I'm > directing this at him. > >>> > >>> Dan Spiess > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Wilkins > wrote: > >>> > >>>> If Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to > find out what the average high performance mac user wants=85 > >>>> > >>>> I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clocked > water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average user a= ny > better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita=85 > >>>> > >>>> Most people on this forum bill for their time until they start > talking about how much money they can save building computers... > >>>> > >>>> My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile= . > I don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of > income. Talk about unnecessary stress. > >>>> > >>>> Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that i= s > blowing air every direction out of multiple components without any though= t > whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to get it o= ut. > >>>> > >>>> I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'= m > not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to have a Nvidia > card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to wait and > see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far with these new machin= es. > >>>> > >>>> - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - > they're soldered in. > >>>> > >>>> All this is just another biased opinion=85 For what it's worth=85 I > imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than I. > >>>> > >>>> Dennis Wilkins > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) > overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a much > cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to the M= P > in terms of both price and render power. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins < > higgins@soldesignfx.com> wrote: > >>>>> Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technicall= y > inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: > >>>>> I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra > $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to the > size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can tell you > this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers or liquid > hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. The intel > 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and currently retai= ls > for under $500. See my cinebench scores http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can > build a system around that chip for another $600. You could literally hav= e > 3 computers that, together, are 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the > entry level price, before you do any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose > all your invested stock of pci-e cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis wrote= : > >>>>> http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> RAM maximum? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they pla= n > for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth? > >>>>>> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the availabl= e > bandwidth. > >>>>>> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> |||| DESILENCE STUDIO > >>>>>> |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity > >>>>>> |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> |||| SOCIAL > >>>>>> |||| facebook.dslnc.com > >>>>>> |||| twitter.dslnc.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 > >>>>>> |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < > stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right t= o > be a > >>>>>>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options > will be > >>>>>>> pretty limited. 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The biggest problem I have with an i7 = is that I can't have two of them on a motherboard.=A0 In any rendering = scenario I'm familiar with (AE, C4D, Maya, Nuke) I want as much RAM and= as many cores as I can fit into my budget/computer case.

The new Mac Pro was clearly not designed with that in mind.= =A0 It's always been pay more and get less when buying Apple.=A0 Histor= ically this has been especially true in unique form factor devices but I do= n't care what my computer looks like.

-Darby

<= br>
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Steve Oakley= <steveo@practicali.com> wrote:

On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Dennis Wilkins <dennis@reelsolutions.com> wrote:
> Apple has not said how many slots are available or what the RAM limit = will be, There are non ECC 32GB RAM sticks available, so 4 slots could hold= 128GB =A0fairly easily (or they could add 4 more slots, what they're s= howing is a preview of the next Mac Pro)=85

the pix pretty clearly show 4. I'd be happy with 32gb.


> The fact that they're using one 12-core chip vs the two that are n= eeded currently could point to a potential cost savings (Xeon chips are ver= y expensive).

as of today, newegg pricing : 8 core 2ghz Xeon $1139. figure apple pa= ys around $1k, faster ones even more. =A06 core 2ghz $424 so maybe apple ca= n hit a $2500 price point.

> If you think i7 chips are fast, look at the C4D benchmarks that are av= ailable (http://www.c= bscores.com); Xeon's still rule on the high-end, sorry.

maybe, but I don't see an ROI on spending 50% more for 10-15% fas= ter. I don't need the fastest CPU, just one thats really fast. =A0my i7= 2.93 4core averages 5% than my zeon 4X2 2.8 tower. the i7's have more = than good enough performance.

> You won't think the CUDA 3d rendering in AE is "fast", w= hen you are able to use the CPU rendering in C4D=85

I have absolutely no plans to use C4D so thats irrelevant. I only car= e about AE's rendering speed because thats all I use. do I think CUDA r= endering is as fast as it could be ? no, but its also V1.0

S

>
> - On the one hand I want a CUDA option, but in the end isn't it be= tter that Open CL become the standard? Even if Nvidia cards have been faste= r in recent years, do you really want Nvidia to have a lock on this market?= Who is in a better position to see that this doesn't happen? Why isn&#= 39;t anyone mad that Nvidia doesn't open source or license CUDA?
>
> We don't know currently how fast the GPU's will be, but Grant = Petty seems to be a fan. Resolve is probably one of the best examples of a = highly GPU accelerated app, so I would take his opinion as a good sign.
>
> - Dennis Wilkins
>
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Steve Oakley <steveo@practicali.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Dan Sp= iess <dspiess@lighthousetv.c= om> wrote:
>>> You complain about the price of the new Mac Pro, but you don&#= 39;t know how much they will sell it for.
>>
>> ZENON chips are horribly overpriced at upwards of $1k ea from inte= l. that gives us a quick ballpark. we also have previous model pricing usin= g the same chips as a guide line. quite possibly intel will cut apple a dea= l on what are now pretty old CPU's
>>
>>> You complain about the graphics, but you haven't seen any = benchmarks.
>>
>> maybe. however they again are not saying latest greatest chips but= some what slower performing firepro chips. no secret about this based on a= ll prior models. the fact is ATI doesn't support CUDA which means no GP= U ray tracing in AE which I use quite a bit. CPU rendering is really unusab= le.
>>
>>> You complain about too many cables, without understanding ANYT= HING about thunderbolt, cause if you did, you'd know you can daisy chai= n all your external devices.
>>
>> I'm not complaining about this... except for the TB premium on= everything.
>>
>>> You don't know how much ram you can get into the Mac Pro, = when a simple check of the Apple web site reveals up to 60 gigs.
>>
>> 64gb. its F'ing ECC ram though which is $$$$. hopefully standa= rd non-ECC ram will work making for a less painful price. 8gb chips are che= aper to expect to put 32gb in it if your cash is not unlimited.
>>
>>> You perceive a computer that's not fast enough, doesn'= t have great GPU's and yet you have NO idea how it will stack up to com= petitors computers.
>>
>> give or take 5%, we already know where it will benchmark. its old = chips. there are faster chips now including the i7 series.
>>
>>> Also, I doubt we will see this new computer till most likely e= arly next year (when Intel releases the new Thunderbolt 2 chips), so lots c= an change between now and then.
>>
>> unfortunately =A0apple has placed most power users into a corner. = I expect the old towers to maintain a high near new used price :( for being= able to have your choice of GPU's. if it weren't for the K5000 I&#= 39;m running right now I would of been forced to upgrade into a better mach= ine. however the last 2 rounds of GPU upgrades have kept my 2008 tower perf= ectly serviceable. I just had an ad agency guy in here who commented how fa= st my system was while editing :)
>>
>> so realistically I see 3 choices assuming the iWasteBasket is $3k+= ... an 27" i7 iMac will equal or out perform it for $1K less, a hackin= stosh, go PC :(
>>
>> you also missed that there is no internal space for any spinning d= rives. Sorry but with 4 drives + SSD in my tower, I need the SSD for speed,= the spinning drives for speed + space thats fast. spending $300-$500 for a= TB case to hold 4 drives is crazy. once you add in that the price performa= nce ratio gets even worse. this is a business and the ROI has to be there. = I'm not seeing it with this thing.
>>
>> please don't get me wrong, I re= ally wish apple has delivered something very close to this, but with dual 1= 6X PCIe slots and your choice of GPU, and 4-5 drive holes. it wouldn't = of been a much larger case and would of hit a far better price point becaus= e of all the extra stuff you would not need to add.
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And just because I responded to Dennis' post, does not mea= n I'm directing this at him.
>>>
>>> Dan Spiess
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Wilkins <dennis@reelsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Apple had only known they could have consulted with thi= s forum to find out what the average high performance mac user wants=85
>>>>
>>>> I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clo= cked water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average= user any better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita=85 >>>>
>>>> Most people on this forum bill for their time until they s= tart talking about how much money they can save building computers...
>>>>
>>>> My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be = for awhile. I don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my ma= in source of income. Talk about unnecessary stress.
>>>>
>>>> Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous= PC box that is blowing air every direction out of multiple components with= out any thought whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how be= st to get it out.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replaceme= nt, but I'm not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to= have a Nvidia card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'= ;ll have to wait and see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far wi= th these new machines.
>>>>
>>>> - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro = for years - they're soldered in.
>>>>
>>>> All this is just another biased opinion=85 For what it'= ;s worth=85 I imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than= I.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis Wilkins
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd say the point is not that you can or can't= (or wouldn't) overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely eas= y to overclock a much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more valuable wh= en compared to the MP in terms of both price and render power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com> wro= te:
>>>>> Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? =A0If you'= ;re that technically inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sur= e that costs an extra $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to = overclock due to the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds compu= ters I can tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exc= hangers or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of= $3999. The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and= currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You ca= n build a system around that chip for another $600. You could literally hav= e 3 computers that, together, are 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the e= ntry level price, before you do any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all= your invested stock of pci-e cards, adapters, hard drives, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RAM maximum?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote= :
>>>>>
>>>>>> what is =A0most cryptic right now - to me at least= - is how they plan for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express ban= dwidth?
>>>>>> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3= of the available bandwidth.
>>>>>> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-)<= br> >>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren &l= t;stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the Apple click-through, it appears if I&= #39;m seeing it right to be a
>>>>>>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU an= d memory options will be
>>>>>>> pretty limited. Only RAM and CPU looks like st= andard expansion, so Teddy may
>>>>>>> be right, this thing may be for the most part,= no more configurable than a
>>>>>>> laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stephen van vuuren
>>>>>>> 336.202.4777
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
>>>>>>> http://www.sv2dcp.com/
>>>>>>> http://www.sv2studios.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A film is - or should be - more like music tha= n like fiction. It should be a
>>>>>>> progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what's behind the emotion, the
>>>>>>> meaning, all that comes later.
>>>>>>> -Stanley Kubrick
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