Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f44.google.com ([209.85.128.44] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5102805 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:36:49 +0200 Received: by mail-qe0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 5so2769685qeb.17 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:46:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ZhndgedbsrQWgYCLXkDGevR7y8OJDu1OyYCoA01AJyQ=; b=Xpf5eyWwUEw8ablftwZvjecmDyTkYQEb+aQk/MIOFE6syxjiGUc2C3Awz3ExpxyOb5 fQIpFD1xNsdE1KeEL6u7WOAoiBmCN3jcykb3UnHdHVmVNQMWGZ8zQIV7UMLwV2eSobmP Z0vpVOkqMM/BD/wUDL92N4XGoqmQxhHfWf5s1DTppP2BMN0NO2+2yPjkcFFXpBhrbw+e oJPTpSWh8wZs612Ui+7SIEwlbsw1m96kkMFCYAun9rsFih+Kwm+UnvYSNZvL9X+dx2SA Rxgo+zWSzxZsLEEotz8btMwY1uMVO8ama0IIernPFi1qlNwXn2YQXUF/khGShvkNuu7u LxCQ== X-Received: by 10.49.0.244 with SMTP id 20mr19821470qeh.50.1370987201486; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:46:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.121.168 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:46:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:46:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro To: After Effects Mail List , Stephen van Vuuren Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33ce2a22e6ca04dee7d593 --047d7b33ce2a22e6ca04dee7d593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listen, I'm not going to do any more broad speculating or jumping to conclusions. Dan was right on that account. We won't know anything until we have solid benchmarks and a price and we read reviews of them in production usage. However we can extrapolate based on current tech prices at ebay retail what this little machine might cost in the basic configuration. Yes these are estimates. I have tried to keep them as low as reasonable. But I'll be pretty surprised if it's not very close to accurate when this comes to retail, barring Apple selling these below cost. Of which there is a snowball's chance in hell. dual firepro GPUS, present in the low end model - at least $700-800 each, based on current top end firepro =3D $1400 32 GB ECC 1800 mhz RAM =3D $1000+ (lowball estimate based on current ddr2 e= cc RAM for mac pro) single intel xeon 12c =3D $900-1200 (based on current price of top end 8c xeon + 20%) PCI-e SSD 500GB =3D $650-800 based on current OCZ revodrive costs case + thunderbolt + mobo =3D $400 Guys you are looking at $1400 + 1000 + 900 + 400 + 650 =3D $4350 for the baseline mac pro. This is before Apple takes it's cut, so I honestly think people should be expecting $4299 - 4899 for the *basic* model. This is before you trick it out with any extras, larger drives, thunderbolt drives, external graphics or pci-e expansions Excuse me, my nose is bleeding... -TG On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > > For a good and balanced review, please take time to read:**** > > ** ** > > Ars Technica has another with a bit more detailed, critical look: > http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/a-critical-look-at-the-new-mac-pro/*= * > ** > > ** ** > > However, the missing factor here is price. Even with the downgrade to a > single socket system, I suspect pricing, especially because it was not > announced even in vague terms e.g. =93under $4000=94 is going to be the r= eal > unpleasant surprise.**** > > ** ** > > Apple has become internally confused. If you are going to put it in your > pocket, size and weight matters. For a workstation, it could not matter > less. What nobody has mentioned is they have wasted all this time inventi= ng > a solution for a problem that did not exist. All the time while losing > market share and potential buyers of the new system.**** > > ** ** > > Last year, they could have easily released a sexy new tower and have it > sold well. And for those few panicked about deskspace for a workstation, = a > micro or mini ATX sized system based on the same design which would have > sold really well. All the tech in here =96 more bandwidth, dual GPU, PCI-= E > SSD, innovative cooling, Thunderbolt, is all tech that=92s been around fo= r a > couple of years or more. This year should have marked the V2 release of > that design.**** > > ** ** > > Instead, they have the world=92s most expensive coffee dispenser to sell = to > a shrinking market they hope is still around =93later this year=94. With = no > other option other than iMac. And this tube is an iMac refresh or two awa= y > from being outclassed price performance wise, not to mention Hackintosh o= r > Windows box (or Linux for 3D stuff).**** > > ** ** > > I could be wrong, but I don=92t see this selling in the numbers of past M= ac > Pros unless I=92m dead wrong about pricing. If there is a base model unde= r > $2000, that could help move a lot of units. But if it=92s $2999 or so to = get > in the game, no chance.**** > > ** ** > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777**** > > * * > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/*** > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/* > > * * > > *A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =96*Stanley Kubrick***** > > ** ** > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --047d7b33ce2a22e6ca04dee7d593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Listen, I'm not going to= do any more broad speculating or jumping to conclusions. Dan was right on = that account. We won't know anything until we have solid benchmarks and= a price and we read reviews of them in production usage. However we can ex= trapolate based on current tech prices at ebay retail what this little mach= ine might cost in the basic configuration. Yes these are estimates. I have = tried to keep them as low as reasonable. But I'll be pretty surprised i= f it's not very close to accurate when this comes to retail, barring Ap= ple selling these below cost. Of which there is a snowball's chance in = hell.

dual firepro GPUS, present in the low end model - at least $= 700-800 each, based on current top end firepro =3D $1400
32 GB ECC= 1800 mhz RAM =3D $1000+ (lowball estimate based on current ddr2 ecc RAM fo= r mac pro)
single intel xeon 12c =3D $900-1200 (based on current price of top en= d 8c xeon + 20%)
=A0PCI-e SSD 500GB =3D $650-800 based on cu= rrent OCZ revodrive costs
case + thunderbolt + mobo =3D $400
Guys you are looking at $1400 + 1000 + 900 + 400 + 650 =3D $4350 for the ba= seline mac pro. This is before Apple takes it's cut, so I honestly thin= k people should be expecting $4299 - 4899 for the *basic* model. This is be= fore you trick it out with any extras, larger drives, thunderbolt drives, e= xternal graphics or pci-e expansions

Excuse me, my nose is bleeding...
-TG


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 a= t 5:26 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:

> For a good and balanced review, please take time to read:<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s= erif";color:#1f497d">

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Ars Technica has= another with a bit more detailed, critical look: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/a-critical-look-at-the-new-mac-pro/=

=A0<= /p>

However, the missing f= actor here is price. Even with the downgrade to a single socket system, I s= uspect pricing, especially because it was not announced even in vague terms= e.g. =93under $4000=94 is going to be the real unpleasant surprise.=

=A0<= /p>

Apple has become inter= nally confused. If you are going to put it in your pocket, size and weight = matters. For a workstation, it could not matter less. What nobody has menti= oned is they have wasted all this time inventing a solution for a problem t= hat did not exist. All the time while losing market share and potential buy= ers of the new system.

=A0<= /p>

Last year, they could = have easily released a sexy new tower and have it sold well. And for those = few panicked about deskspace for a workstation, a micro or mini ATX sized s= ystem based on the same design which would have sold really well. All the t= ech in here =96 more bandwidth, dual GPU, PCI-E SSD, innovative cooling, Th= underbolt, is all tech that=92s been around for a couple of years or more. = This year should have marked the V2 release of that design.

=A0<= /p>

Instead, they have the= world=92s most expensive coffee dispenser to sell to a shrinking market th= ey hope is still around =93later this year=94. With no other option other t= han iMac. And this tube is an iMac refresh or two away from being outclasse= d price performance wise, not to mention Hackintosh or Windows box (or Linu= x for 3D stuff).

=A0<= /p>

I could be wrong, but = I don=92t see this selling in the numbers of past Mac Pros unless I=92m dea= d wrong about pricing. If there is a base model under $2000, that could hel= p move a lot of units. But if it=92s $2999 or so to get in the game, no cha= nce.

=A0<= /p>

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

=A0=

http://ww= w.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp= .com/

http://www= .sv2studios.com/

=A0

A film is = =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should be a prog= ression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the = meaning, all that comes later.

=96Stanley Kubri= ck

=A0




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