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[97.61.51.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm16445937qeh.0.2013.06.11.14.55.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro References: From: Rendernyc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AE0998B5-C28B-43DB-A873-AF011580CFE3 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <67C23CB5-B177-472A-B8B4-6829FD316A99@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:55:00 -0400 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-AE0998B5-C28B-43DB-A873-AF011580CFE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to 12cores. If there's an entry level it would then have less cores. Knoc= k a few hundred off the firepros perhaps as we'll but however you slice it, i= t's going to be expensive.=20 On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Listen, I'm not going to do any more broad speculating or jumping to concl= usions. Dan was right on that account. We won't know anything until we have s= olid benchmarks and a price and we read reviews of them in production usage.= However we can extrapolate based on current tech prices at ebay retail what= this little machine might cost in the basic configuration. Yes these are es= timates. I have tried to keep them as low as reasonable. But I'll be pretty s= urprised if it's not very close to accurate when this comes to retail, barri= ng Apple selling these below cost. Of which there is a snowball's chance in h= ell.=20 >=20 > dual firepro GPUS, present in the low end model - at least $700-800 each, b= ased on current top end firepro =3D $1400 > 32 GB ECC 1800 mhz RAM =3D $1000+ (lowball estimate based on current ddr2 e= cc RAM for mac pro) > single intel xeon 12c =3D $900-1200 (based on current price of top end 8c x= eon + 20%)=20 > PCI-e SSD 500GB =3D $650-800 based on current OCZ revodrive costs > case + thunderbolt + mobo =3D $400 >=20 > Guys you are looking at $1400 + 1000 + 900 + 400 + 650 =3D $4350 for the b= aseline mac pro. This is before Apple takes it's cut, so I honestly think pe= ople should be expecting $4299 - 4899 for the *basic* model. This is before y= ou trick it out with any extras, larger drives, thunderbolt drives, external= graphics or pci-e expansions >=20 > Excuse me, my nose is bleeding... > -TG >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: >> > For a good and balanced review, please take time to read: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Ars Technica has another with a bit more detailed, critical look: http://= arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/a-critical-look-at-the-new-mac-pro/ >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> However, the missing factor here is price. Even with the downgrade to a s= ingle socket system, I suspect pricing, especially because it was not announ= ced even in vague terms e.g. =E2=80=9Cunder $4000=E2=80=9D is going to be th= e real unpleasant surprise. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Apple has become internally confused. If you are going to put it in your p= ocket, size and weight matters. For a workstation, it could not matter less.= What nobody has mentioned is they have wasted all this time inventing a sol= ution for a problem that did not exist. All the time while losing market sha= re and potential buyers of the new system. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Last year, they could have easily released a sexy new tower and have it s= old well. And for those few panicked about deskspace for a workstation, a mi= cro or mini ATX sized system based on the same design which would have sold r= eally well. All the tech in here =E2=80=93 more bandwidth, dual GPU, PCI-E S= SD, innovative cooling, Thunderbolt, is all tech that=E2=80=99s been around f= or a couple of years or more. This year should have marked the V2 release of= that design. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Instead, they have the world=E2=80=99s most expensive coffee dispenser to= sell to a shrinking market they hope is still around =E2=80=9Clater this ye= ar=E2=80=9D. With no other option other than iMac. And this tube is an iMac r= efresh or two away from being outclassed price performance wise, not to ment= ion Hackintosh or Windows box (or Linux for 3D stuff). >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> I could be wrong, but I don=E2=80=99t see this selling in the numbers of p= ast Mac Pros unless I=E2=80=99m dead wrong about pricing. If there is a base= model under $2000, that could help move a lot of units. But if it=E2=80=99s= $2999 or so to get in the game, no chance. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> stephen van vuuren >>=20 >> 336.202.4777 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >>=20 >> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >>=20 >> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fict= ion. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >>=20 >> =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn --Apple-Mail-AE0998B5-C28B-43DB-A873-AF011580CFE3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Up to 12cores. If there's an entry lev= el it would then have less cores. Knock a few hundred off the firepros perha= ps as we'll but however you slice it, it's going to be expensive. 

On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:

Listen, I= 'm not going to do any more broad speculating or jumping to conclusions. Dan= was right on that account. We won't know anything until we have solid bench= marks and a price and we read reviews of them in production usage. However w= e can extrapolate based on current tech prices at ebay retail what this litt= le machine might cost in the basic configuration. Yes these are estimates. I= have tried to keep them as low as reasonable. But I'll be pretty surprised i= f it's not very close to accurate when this comes to retail, barring Apple s= elling these below cost. Of which there is a snowball's chance in hell.
=

dual firepro GPUS, present in the low end model - at least $7= 00-800 each, based on current top end firepro =3D $1400
32 GB ECC 1= 800 mhz RAM =3D $1000+ (lowball estimate based on current ddr2 ecc RAM for m= ac pro)
single intel xeon 12c =3D $900-1200 (based on current price of top end= 8c xeon + 20%)
 PCI-e SSD 500GB =3D $650-800 based on c= urrent OCZ revodrive costs
case + thunderbolt + mobo =3D $400
Guys you are looking at $1400 + 1000 + 900 + 400 + 650 =3D $4350 for the bas= eline mac pro. This is before Apple takes it's cut, so I honestly think peop= le should be expecting $4299 - 4899 for the *basic* model. This is before yo= u trick it out with any extras, larger drives, thunderbolt drives, external g= raphics or pci-e expansions

Excuse me, my nose is bleeding...
-TG


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5= :26 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote= :

> For a good and balanced review, please take time to read:

 =

Ars Technica has a= nother with a bit more detailed, critical look: h= ttp://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/06/a-critical-look-at-the-new-mac-pro/<= u>

 =

However, the missing fa= ctor here is price. Even with the downgrade to a single socket system, I sus= pect pricing, especially because it was not announced even in vague terms e.= g. =E2=80=9Cunder $4000=E2=80=9D is going to be the real unpleasant surprise= .

 =

Apple has become intern= ally confused. If you are going to put it in your pocket, size and weight ma= tters. For a workstation, it could not matter less. What nobody has mentione= d is they have wasted all this time inventing a solution for a problem that d= id not exist. All the time while losing market share and potential buyers of= the new system.

 =

Last year, they could h= ave easily released a sexy new tower and have it sold well. And for those fe= w panicked about deskspace for a workstation, a micro or mini ATX sized syst= em based on the same design which would have sold really well. All the tech i= n here =E2=80=93 more bandwidth, dual GPU, PCI-E SSD, innovative cooling, Th= underbolt, is all tech that=E2=80=99s been around for a couple of years or m= ore. This year should have marked the V2 release of that design.

 =

Instead, they have the w= orld=E2=80=99s most expensive coffee dispenser to sell to a shrinking market= they hope is still around =E2=80=9Clater this year=E2=80=9D. With no other o= ption other than iMac. And this tube is an iMac refresh or two away from bei= ng outclassed price performance wise, not to mention Hackintosh or Windows b= ox (or Linux for 3D stuff).

 =

I could be wrong, but I= don=E2=80=99t see this selling in the numbers of past Mac Pros unless I=E2=80= =99m dead wrong about pricing. If there is a base model under $2000, that co= uld help move a lot of units. But if it=E2=80=99s $2999 or so to get in the g= ame, no chance.

 =

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777<= /span>

 <= u>

http://www.i= nsaturnsrings.com/=

http://www.sv2dcp.co= m/

http://www.sv= 2studios.com/

 

A film is =E2= =80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should b= e a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the e= motion, the meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley K= ubrick

 




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