Return-Path: Received: from cri.crishdesign.com ([198.57.142.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5103049 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 05:26:01 +0200 Received: from 75-173-102-231.albq.qwest.net ([75.173.102.231]:50734 helo=[192.168.0.2]) by cri.crishdesign.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Umbqh-000127-G6 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:35:51 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 $1503$) Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro From: Chris Meyer In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:35:20 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cri.crishdesign.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cri.crishdesign.com: authenticated_id: chris@crishdesign.com Aw, c'mon, Dan - you have to admire the purity of opinions uncolored by = actual first-hand knowledge or experience. Like all those anti Creative = Cloud editorials written by people who weren't yet subscribers, and = didn't bother to run their concerns past Adobe before publishing them. = Pure, raw truthiness!=20 Apple definitely has become Microsoft in the eyes of many users.=20= - Chris ________________________________________________ Chris Meyer | Crish Design http://www.crishdesign.com On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Dan Spiess = wrote: > God, what a bunch of negative blockheads on this list. I just read all = 60+ posts on this subject. >=20 > You complain about the price of the new Mac Pro, but you don't know = how much they will sell it for.=20 >=20 > You complain about the graphics, but you haven't seen any benchmarks. >=20 > You complain about too many cables, without understanding ANYTHING = about thunderbolt, cause if you did, you'd know you can daisy chain all = your external devices.=20 >=20 > You don't know how much ram you can get into the Mac Pro, when a = simple check of the Apple web site reveals up to 60 gigs.=20 >=20 > You perceive a computer that's not fast enough, doesn't have great = GPU's and yet you have NO idea how it will stack up to competitors = computers.=20 >=20 > It's time to get off your high horses and realize that it doe not = matter till we have real world tests. Then you can trash it. >=20 > Also, I doubt we will see this new computer till most likely early = next year (when Intel releases the new Thunderbolt 2 chips), so lots can = change between now and then. >=20 > And just because I responded to Dennis' post, does not mean I'm = directing this at him. >=20 > Dan Spiess >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Wilkins = wrote: >=20 >> If Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to = find out what the average high performance mac user wants=85 >>=20 >> I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clocked = water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average user = any better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita=85=20 >>=20 >> Most people on this forum bill for their time until they start = talking about how much money they can save building computers... >>=20 >> My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile. = I don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of = income. Talk about unnecessary stress. >>=20 >> Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that is = blowing air every direction out of multiple components without any = thought whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to = get it out.=20 >>=20 >> I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'm = not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to have a = Nvidia card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to = wait and see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far with these = new machines. >>=20 >> - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - = they're soldered in. >>=20 >> All this is just another biased opinion=85 For what it's worth=85 I = imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than I. >>=20 >> Dennis Wilkins=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>=20 >>> I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) = overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a = much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to = the MP in terms of both price and render power. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins = wrote: >>> Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technically = inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: >>> I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra = $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to = the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can = tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers = or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. = The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and = currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores = http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system around that chip for = another $600. You could literally have 3 computers that, together, are = 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level price, before you do = any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your invested stock of pci-e = cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> RAM maximum? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, S=F8ren Christensen wrote: >>>=20 >>>> what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they plan = for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth?=20 >>>> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available = bandwidth. >>>> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) >>>>=20 >>>> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> |||| DESILENCE STUDIO >>>> |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity >>>> |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) >>>>=20 >>>> |||| SOCIAL >>>> |||| facebook.dslnc.com >>>> |||| twitter.dslnc.com >>>>=20 >>>> |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 >>>> |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> =46rom the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right = to be a >>>>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options = will be >>>>> pretty limited. 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