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| Aw, c'mon, Dan - you have to admire the purity of opinions uncolored by actual first-hand knowledge or experience. Like all those anti Creative Cloud editorials written by people who weren't yet subscribers, and didn't bother to run their concerns past Adobe before publishing them. Pure, raw truthiness! <sigh> Apple definitely has become Microsoft in the eyes of many users. - Chris ________________________________________________ Chris Meyer | Crish Design http://www.crishdesign.com On Jun 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Dan Spiess <dspiess@lighthousetv.com> wrote: > God, what a bunch of negative blockheads on this list. I just read all 60+ posts on this subject. > > You complain about the price of the new Mac Pro, but you don't know how much they will sell it for. > > You complain about the graphics, but you haven't seen any benchmarks. > > You complain about too many cables, without understanding ANYTHING about thunderbolt, cause if you did, you'd know you can daisy chain all your external devices. > > You don't know how much ram you can get into the Mac Pro, when a simple check of the Apple web site reveals up to 60 gigs. > > You perceive a computer that's not fast enough, doesn't have great GPU's and yet you have NO idea how it will stack up to competitors computers. > > It's time to get off your high horses and realize that it doe not matter till we have real world tests. Then you can trash it. > > Also, I doubt we will see this new computer till most likely early next year (when Intel releases the new Thunderbolt 2 chips), so lots can change between now and then. > > And just because I responded to Dennis' post, does not mean I'm directing this at him. > > Dan Spiess > > > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Wilkins <dennis@reelsolutions.com> wrote: > >> If Apple had only known they could have consulted with this forum to find out what the average high performance mac user wants… >> >> I own many macs, currently have a renderfarm of 5 over-clocked water-cooled hackintoshes, and I don't think those fit the average user any better than this machine. They can be a time suck and a pita… >> >> Most people on this forum bill for their time until they start talking about how much money they can save building computers... >> >> My main workstation is a Mac Pro and I imagine it will be for awhile. I don't want to mess with - build - troubleshoot etc. my main source of income. Talk about unnecessary stress. >> >> Cooling, you can't really compare this to a ridiculous PC box that is blowing air every direction out of multiple components without any thought whatsoever as to what is creating the heat where and how best to get it out. >> >> I was hoping for a rack mount expandable Mac Pro replacement, but I'm not totally hating this new format yet. It would be nice to have a Nvidia card option. I can't imagine a 64GB RAM limit but we'll have to wait and see. That would be the biggest mistake I see so far with these new machines. >> >> - You haven't been able to upgrade a chip in a MacPro for years - they're soldered in. >> >> All this is just another biased opinion… For what it's worth… I imagine Apple has a better handle on their customer base than I. >> >> Dennis Wilkins >> >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'd say the point is not that you can or can't (or wouldn't) overclock the mac pro, it's that it is extremely easy to overclock a much cheaper PC. Which then makes it even more valuable when compared to the MP in terms of both price and render power. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com> wrote: >>> Does anyone actually overclock Mac Pros? If you're that technically inclined, you've already built a Hackintosh. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm guessing RAM maxes out at 64GB but I'm sure that costs an extra $2k. The fact is, this machine will be impossible to overclock due to the size and cooling capacity. As someone who builds computers I can tell you this is simple physics, unless they are using phase exchangers or liquid hydrogen. I'm guessing a minimum entry price point of $3999. The intel 3930K chip overclocked is faster than the 8 core xeon and currently retails for under $500. See my cinebench scores http://imgur.com/xMTkacD. You can build a system around that chip for another $600. You could literally have 3 computers that, together, are 4x faster than the iWastebasket for the entry level price, before you do any upgrading to the MP. Let alone lose all your invested stock of pci-e cards, adapters, hard drives, etc. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote: >>> http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ >>> >>> >>> RAM maximum? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Søren Christensen wrote: >>> >>>> what is most cryptic right now - to me at least - is how they plan for the user to access the 40GB/320Gbit pci express bandwidth? >>>> The thunderbolt2 ports only accounts for about 1/3 of the available bandwidth. >>>> I guess thats why they called it a sneak peak :-) >>>> >>>> Still, I dont mind running the adobe cc on that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <dslnc_email2_black.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> |||| DESILENCE STUDIO >>>> |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity >>>> |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) >>>> >>>> |||| SOCIAL >>>> |||| facebook.dslnc.com >>>> |||| twitter.dslnc.com >>>> >>>> |||| NEW SHOWREEL 2013 >>>> |||| http://v5.dslnc.com/reel/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> From the Apple click-through, it appears if I'm seeing it right to be a >>>>> single socket with 4 RAM slots, meaning CPU and memory options will be >>>>> pretty limited. 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