Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com ([209.85.128.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5105195 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:51:33 +0200 Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id pb11so6816677veb.23 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=vw5eG0ibDvxfDXhOS3CMbpz5s4cSKZwHqpaYXkx8l6k=; b=HhWc7GwV6r3lP7p+KHUMqeMaKrMRYPPjeG7ripshOTlOWo3mFaCq3xvbWpu4yJFwAh 1kR6lVyK4lUIL1sJ7h0ob9K58GgJ5WdQel1Lwkd0KxKh3GAi/V7Pe2ClI5XilpriLWK2 VT2oqOdEAqhLn9JPdmsCe/FtNgRqV4qgy/5I2SK+Bqs4Zlfr21eN8H9aqMJB9Kinw0m1 94pKLtKfkG88y0Eg/EZh73Tu2lXvSzfkJ6kZ1Kf3qrq3nGkiLgFLEx+rEarmWWeR3Twf lCqbsqs1uZ1f6WLEO1k9rBIcU9WpQ5b3FPOMR0KBz1COMVcpCOSq/oceiI2XNTrKhtlQ MDtQ== X-Received: by 10.52.88.107 with SMTP id bf11mr8346591vdb.115.1371052887754; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:01:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.13.70 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:01:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:01:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro To: After Effects Mail List , stephen@sv2studios.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cff2857dba204def720f1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlGAQf26qasu1Jjff4FOHCHrzjFt1STO5zVgolba+KAu+TikLWAQg6heuH88is7KS51QIFh --20cf307cff2857dba204def720f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i find it a bit sad that on this AE-list, when Apple show of this preview of a future computer it gets way more discussions than when Adobe announce a new AE version. This has already got up to 90 resonses in what, 2 days? I also seem to remember the same thing when AE CS6 was released, almost no discussion on the new exciting features, and that was probably the best release of AE ever (i know some will disagree!) This list certainly has its ups and downs in activity :-( - Robert 2013/6/12 Stephen van Vuuren > > It is always with dismay that I read the list when Apple comes out with > something new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage industry among the > cognoscenti.**** > > ** ** > > I do agree the emotional reactions to products is out of place. The > counter point is I always find with dismay that people attach emotional > feelings, good or bad towards any large corporation at all. In the age of > technology, such feelings are deeply, profoundly misplaced. Corporations, > regardless of their stated intentions or more importantly, their marketin= g > campaigns designed to get us to attach feelings towards them =96 exist so= lely > to create profit.**** > > ** ** > > If you want to make good decisions about technology (before returning to > filmmaking in 1999, I had a highly successful career as an IT > infrastructure guy), you have to pay no attention to all the =93I prefer > xxxx, I hate xxxx, I use to love xxxx=94.**** > > > The only important company is yourself, not even the company you work for > - who has no loyalty to you either and will cut you off as soon as the > money runs out. This is not cynicism, it=92s reality. Corporations, large= or > small, despite what the Supreme Court said, are not people. People are re= al > and matter, companies, not.**** > > > The new Mac Pro is simply a tool and both it and the company making it > deserve critical analyses. For everyone on this list, the technology > infrastructure platform =96 hardware and software, is the largest expense= and > a strong determining factor on daily productivity. How well it works, how > well we can use it, how reliable it is over time.**** > > ** ** > > I value critical discussion of software and hardware without =93brand > loyalty=94 or any other misplaced emotions as I feel it helps me and othe= rs > make good long term decisions.**** > > ** ** > > *stephen van vuuren* > > 336.202.4777**** > > * * > > *http://www.insaturnsrings.com/*** > > *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* > > *http://www.sv2studios.com/* > > * * > > *A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It sho= uld > be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the > emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.* > > =96*Stanley Kubrick***** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Jonathan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:09 AM > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] New MacPro**** > > ** ** > > It is always with dismay that I read the list when Apple comes out with > something new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage industry among the > cognoscenti. I understand the impulse. I have the same reaction to > Microsoft which is =96 usually =96 to think the worst. Sometimes it's jus= tified > (see the new XBox announcement for a classic "I'm now going to to shoot > myself in the foot" teaching moment) and sometimes it's not. Same goes fo= r > Apple. On the list, however, the most acute rancor seems to be reserved f= or > Apple. Adobe is, perhaps, a very distant second. And while I occasionally > enjoy indulging in schadenfreude, I know it's not my best moment.**** > > ** ** > > The chatter doesn't help me make an informed decision. I also find it > disrespectful toward the people on the list who tend to favor Apple, wart= s > and all (and there are plenty these days). I think it shuts people down, > which I believe is contrary to the idea of the list. The list is primaril= y > about exchanging knowledge and information, of course, but it also gives = us > the opportunity and space to voice our opinions and ideas. And our > ignorance. It's always good to be corrected when one is ill-informed. The > question is how it's done.**** > > ** ** > > As to speculation about the price of the machine, I suspect that for me i= t > will cost around $5,000 =96 about the price I've paid for all my desktop > computers, going back to the 286 IBM PC that I had outfitted with a 10 MB > hard drive and a 1.2 MB floppy. When I buy the new MacPro, it may not be > the fastest or most tricked out machine on the block, but it will be > adequate for my purposes as we head, like it or not, into a 4k world.**** > > ** ** > > Jonathan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *JONATHAN PENZNER***** > > VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN**** > > ** ** > > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 |**** > > | CELL 818 321-2890 |**** > > ** ** > > *sureal@c harter.net***** > --20cf307cff2857dba204def720f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i find it a bit sad that on this AE-list, when Apple show = of this preview of a future computer it gets way more discussions than when= Adobe announce a new AE version. This has already got up to 90 resonses in= what, 2 days?
I also seem to remember the same thing when AE CS6 was released, almost no = discussion on the new exciting features, and that was probably the best rel= ease of AE ever (i know some will disagree!)

This list certainly has its ups and downs in activity :-(


- Robert



201= 3/6/12 Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com>
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> = It is always with dismay that I read the list when Apple comes out with som= ething new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage industry among the cognosce= nti.

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I do agree the e= motional reactions to products is out of place. The counter point is I alwa= ys find with dismay that people attach emotional feelings, good or bad towa= rds any large corporation at all. In the age of technology, such feelings a= re deeply, profoundly misplaced. Corporations, regardless of their stated i= ntentions or more importantly, their marketing campaigns designed to get us= to attach feelings towards them =96 exist solely to create profit.<= u>

=A0<= /p>

If you want to make go= od decisions about technology (before returning to filmmaking in 1999, I ha= d a highly successful career as an IT infrastructure guy), you have to pay = no attention to all the =93I prefer xxxx, I hate xxxx, I use to love xxxx= =94.


The only important co= mpany is yourself, not even the company you work for - who has no loyalty t= o you either and will cut you off as soon as the money runs out. This is no= t cynicism, it=92s reality. Corporations, large or small, despite what the = Supreme Court said, are not people. People are real and matter, companies, = not.


The new Mac Pro is si= mply a tool and both it and the company making it deserve critical analyses= . For everyone on this list, the technology infrastructure platform =96 har= dware and software, is the largest expense and a strong determining factor = on daily productivity. How well it works, how well we can use it, how relia= ble it is over time.

=A0<= /p>

I value critical discu= ssion of software and hardware without =93brand loyalty=94 or any other mis= placed emotions as I feel it helps me and others make good long term decisi= ons.

=A0<= /p>

stephen v= an vuuren

336.202.4777=

=A0

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp= .com/

http://www= .sv2studios.com/

=A0

A film is = =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It should be a prog= ression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the = meaning, all that comes later.

=96Stanley Kubri= ck

=A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Jo= nathan
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:09 AM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro=

=A0

It is always with dismay that I= read the list when Apple comes out with something new. Trashing Apple has = become a cottage industry among the cognoscenti. I understand the impulse. = I have the same reaction to Microsoft which is =96 usually =96 to think the= worst. Sometimes it's justified (see the new XBox announcement for a c= lassic "I'm now going to to shoot myself in the foot" teachin= g moment) and sometimes it's not. Same goes for Apple.=A0On the list, h= owever, the most acute rancor seems to be reserved for Apple. Adobe is, per= haps, a very distant second.=A0And while I occasionally enjoy indulging in = schadenfreude, I know it's not my best moment.

=A0

The chatter doesn't help me make an informed decision= . I also find it disrespectful toward the people on the list who tend to fa= vor Apple, warts and all (and there are plenty these days). I think it shut= s people down, which I believe is contrary to the idea of the list. The lis= t is primarily about exchanging knowledge and information, of course, but i= t also gives us the opportunity and space to voice our opinions and ideas. = And our ignorance. It's always good to be corrected when one is ill-inf= ormed. The question is how it's done.

=A0

As to speculation about the price of the machine, I suspect = that for me it will cost around $5,000 =96 about the price I've paid fo= r all my desktop computers, going back to the 286 IBM PC that I had outfitt= ed with a 10 MB hard drive and a 1.2 MB floppy. When I buy the new MacPro, = it may not be the fastest or most tricked out machine on the block, but it = will be adequate for my purposes as we head, like it or not, into a 4k worl= d.

=A0

Jonathan

= =A0

=A0

=A0

JONATHAN=A0PENZNER<= /b>

VIDEO EDITING= =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN

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|=A0STUDIO =A0 =A0 =A0626 345-0285<= /a>=A0|

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