Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5105223 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:19:11 +0200 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1371054544-0437c641981cdbd0001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS4.slcc.int (vcas4.slcc.int [10.1.11.55]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id gjSZCBqnuV2V1om0; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:29:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH10A.SLCC.int ([169.254.1.112]) by vCAS4.slcc.int ([10.1.11.55]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:29:04 -0600 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List , "stephen@sv2studios.com" Subject: RE: [AE] New MacPro Thread-Topic: [AE] New MacPro X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] New MacPro Thread-Index: AQHOZ4DYXG70O9U1tEubQH5JBtyqtJkyP2Ug Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:29:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.11.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D4D26B3CC3D8E846A571E8B8463E11DA040BEB2EEXCH10Aslccint_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas4.slcc.int[10.1.11.55] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1371054544 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.133710 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message --_000_D4D26B3CC3D8E846A571E8B8463E11DA040BEB2EEXCH10Aslccint_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great points Stephen. Many dimensions to this discussion. I too like 'the o= nly company is yourself' mantra but there is a people side to consider beca= use workgroups, like corporations, sometimes behave stupidly and don't choo= se the best tool based on its merit but rather on its marketing and user ba= se culture. I've lived through a number of workgroups where group opinion g= ains a power of its own and can force unwanted decisions upon the individua= l. Being defensive and proactive (outspoken) is a learned response to those= kinds of pressures. People do develop strong biases in those settings. Gro= up decisions are rarely objective. To the extent that Apple's marketing his= tory has always been aimed at making people feel different/empowered/more c= reative, there will always be pushback from those who feel that the power o= f Appledom is always there lurking, waiting to overpower them in some unsee= n snarky way. I work in a shop right now where those same forces are always at work. It's= like you have to speak out to defend your individualism. Strange how corp= orations affect us. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Stephen van Vuuren Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:24 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro > It is always with dismay that I read the list when Apple comes out with s= omething new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage industry among the cognos= centi. I do agree the emotional reactions to products is out of place. The counter= point is I always find with dismay that people attach emotional feelings, = good or bad towards any large corporation at all. In the age of technology,= such feelings are deeply, profoundly misplaced. Corporations, regardless o= f their stated intentions or more importantly, their marketing campaigns de= signed to get us to attach feelings towards them - exist solely to create p= rofit. If you want to make good decisions about technology (before returning to fi= lmmaking in 1999, I had a highly successful career as an IT infrastructure = guy), you have to pay no attention to all the "I prefer xxxx, I hate xxxx, = I use to love xxxx". The only important company is yourself, not even the company you work for -= who has no loyalty to you either and will cut you off as soon as the money= runs out. This is not cynicism, it's reality. Corporations, large or small= , despite what the Supreme Court said, are not people. People are real and = matter, companies, not. The new Mac Pro is simply a tool and both it and the company making it dese= rve critical analyses. For everyone on this list, the technology infrastruc= ture platform - hardware and software, is the largest expense and a strong = determining factor on daily productivity. How well it works, how well we ca= n use it, how reliable it is over time. I value critical discussion of software and hardware without "brand loyalty= " or any other misplaced emotions as I feel it helps me and others make goo= d long term decisions. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, = the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:09 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro It is always with dismay that I read the list when Apple comes out with som= ething new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage industry among the cognosce= nti. I understand the impulse. I have the same reaction to Microsoft which = is - usually - to think the worst. Sometimes it's justified (see the new XB= ox announcement for a classic "I'm now going to to shoot myself in the foot= " teaching moment) and sometimes it's not. Same goes for Apple. On the list= , however, the most acute rancor seems to be reserved for Apple. Adobe is, = perhaps, a very distant second. And while I occasionally enjoy indulging in= schadenfreude, I know it's not my best moment. The chatter doesn't help me make an informed decision. I also find it disre= spectful toward the people on the list who tend to favor Apple, warts and a= ll (and there are plenty these days). I think it shuts people down, which I= believe is contrary to the idea of the list. The list is primarily about e= xchanging knowledge and information, of course, but it also gives us the op= portunity and space to voice our opinions and ideas. And our ignorance. It'= s always good to be corrected when one is ill-informed. The question is how= it's done. As to speculation about the price of the machine, I suspect that for me it = will cost around $5,000 - about the price I've paid for all my desktop comp= uters, going back to the 286 IBM PC that I had outfitted with a 10 MB hard = drive and a 1.2 MB floppy. When I buy the new MacPro, it may not be the fas= test or most tricked out machine on the block, but it will be adequate for = my purposes as we head, like it or not, into a 4k world. Jonathan JONATHAN PENZNER VIDEO EDITING * MOTION GRAPHICS * DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | sureal@charter.net This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addr= essee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or ot= herwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this= e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any una= uthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message = is prohibited. 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Great points Stephen. Man= y dimensions to this discussion. I too like ‘the only company is your= self’ mantra but there is a people side to consider because workgroup= s, like corporations, sometimes behave stupidly and don’t choose the be= st tool based on its merit but rather on its marketing and user base cultur= e. I’ve lived through a number of workgroups where group opinion gain= s a power of its own and can force unwanted decisions upon the individual. Being defensive and proactive (outspoken) i= s a learned response to those kinds of pressures. People do develop strong = biases in those settings. Group decisions are rarely objective. To the exte= nt that Apple’s marketing history has always been aimed at making people feel different/empowered/more creat= ive, there will always be pushback from those who feel that the power of Ap= pledom is always there lurking, waiting to overpower them in some unseen sn= arky way.

 <= /p>

I work in a shop right no= w where those same forces are always at work. It’s like you have to s= peak out to defend your individualism.  Strange how corporations affect us.

 <= /p>

John

 <= /p>

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Stephen van Vuuren
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:24 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro

 

> It is always with dismay that I read the list wh= en Apple comes out with something new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage = industry among the cognoscenti.

 <= /p>

I do agree the emotional = reactions to products is out of place. The counter point is I always find w= ith dismay that people attach emotional feelings, good or bad towards any large corporation at all. In the age of technology, such f= eelings are deeply, profoundly misplaced. Corporations, regardless of their= stated intentions or more importantly, their marketing campaigns designed = to get us to attach feelings towards them – exist solely to create profit.

 <= /p>

If you want to make good = decisions about technology (before returning to filmmaking in 1999, I had a= highly successful career as an IT infrastructure guy), you have to pay no attention to all the “I prefer xxxx, I hate xxxx,= I use to love xxxx”.


The only important company is yourself, not even the company you work for -= who has no loyalty to you either and will cut you off as soon as the money= runs out. This is not cynicism, it’s reality. Corporations, large or= small, despite what the Supreme Court said, are not people. People are real and matter, companies, not.


The new Mac Pro is simply a tool and both it and the company making it dese= rve critical analyses. For everyone on this list, the technology infrastruc= ture platform – hardware and software, is the largest expense and a s= trong determining factor on daily productivity. How well it works, how well we can use it, how reliable it is over time.

 <= /p>

I value critical discussi= on of software and hardware without “brand loyalty” or any othe= r misplaced emotions as I feel it helps me and others make good long term decisions.

 <= /p>

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is – or s= hould be – more like music than like fiction. It should be a progress= ion of moods and feelings. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

–Stanley Kubrick=

 <= /p>

From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@= media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:09 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New MacPro

 

It is always with dismay that I read the list when A= pple comes out with something new. Trashing Apple has become a cottage indu= stry among the cognoscenti. I understand the impulse. I have the same react= ion to Microsoft which is – usually – to think the worst. Sometimes it's justified (see the new XBox ann= ouncement for a classic "I'm now going to to shoot myself in the foot&= quot; teaching moment) and sometimes it's not. Same goes for Apple. On= the list, however, the most acute rancor seems to be reserved for Apple. Adobe is, perhaps, a very distant second. And whi= le I occasionally enjoy indulging in schadenfreude, I know it's not my best= moment.

 

The chatter doesn't help me make an informed decisio= n. I also find it disrespectful toward the people on the list who tend to f= avor Apple, warts and all (and there are plenty these days). I think it shu= ts people down, which I believe is contrary to the idea of the list. The list is primarily about exchanging k= nowledge and information, of course, but it also gives us the opportunity a= nd space to voice our opinions and ideas. And our ignorance. It's always go= od to be corrected when one is ill-informed. The question is how it's done.

 

As to speculation about the price of the machine, I = suspect that for me it will cost around $5,000 – about the price I've= paid for all my desktop computers, going back to the 286 IBM PC that I had= outfitted with a 10 MB hard drive and a 1.2 MB floppy. When I buy the new MacPro, it may not be the fastest or mos= t tricked out machine on the block, but it will be adequate for my purposes= as we head, like it or not, into a 4k world.

 

Jonathan

 

 

 

JONATHAN PENZNER=

VIDEO EDITING • MO= TION GRAPHICS • DESIGN

 =

| STUDIO   &nb= sp;  626 345-0285 |

| CELL    = ;       818 321-2890 |

 


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