Return-Path: Received: from [70.85.6.2] (HELO gateway12.websitewelcome.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5109129 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:45:11 +0200 Received: by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 22AED502CE178; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator1184.hostgator.com (gator1184.hostgator.com [174.121.151.98]) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FE3502CE151 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [24.163.5.74] (port=49389 helo=Neptune) by gator1184.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UoHAX-0001eD-OC for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:55:13 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] DELL XPS 8700 woth it? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:54:48 -0400 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <019001ce6aba$981a3a00$c84eae00$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0191_01CE6A99.110CB8B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQF0ncXRTY/dIDozlrBPguElLyx8apnsN66Q Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1184.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (Neptune) [24.163.5.74]:49389 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 6 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IxMTg0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01CE6A99.110CB8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Teddy made great points. One more is that even if you have Dual CPU Xeon budget it=92s much smarter to use that for two i7 boxes. No matter how = fast and/or multithreaded a box is, it will be tied up for some reason. Yes = you can background render but 90% of the intense renders I do make a machine highly unusable for background rendering. Having multiple boxes really speeds stuff along. =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ =20 A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the = emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =96Stanley Kubrick =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of Szab=F3 Gergely Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:37 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] DELL XPS 8700 woth it? =20 I guess than I have to buy the machine without GPU and buy a GTX 680. One place where I work recently, just bought a Z220 with Core i7 and = SSD-s 16Gb Ram (almost the same configuration), with Win7. I will give It a = shot. I like the simplicity of the OSX. And on my iMac, I haven't installed = again my system since 3 years.=20 My problem is that this config, with a GTX 680 or 770 (and a 27" Dell display) would be almost the same price like the new iMac with the = GTX680M. I don't know why can't the Apple support some Classified workstations = for OSX (like Z family, Precision). It would be much easier decision. Gary ps.: Yeah there are many small shop who build the system, but I prefer = the "instant get" feeling ;) 6/16/13 7:24 PM keltez=E9ssel, Teddy Gage =EDrta: That makes sense. No, you would not be able to install any version of = OSX on that machine. hackintosh OSX only works with very specific hardware configurations. And is not very stable. If you are not very familiar = with PCs, I wouldn't even try to make it a hackintosh. It requires a lot of = BIOS manipulation and computer knowledge. However I love windows 7, I don't = think you'd have too many problems making the switch. Yes, xeon chips are great but you only get about 10-20% increase in = speed for a 50%+ markup in price, so it's not really worth it. Like you said I much prefer the i7 series for cost vs. performance. I would spend the difference on a better graphics card than the GT 660. = Is there the option for at least a GTX 680? the 6xx series cards are not = very efficient at CUDA and compute performance.=20 Last question, is there any other company who builds computers in your country, like a smaller online business that could ship locally? Or even = an individual who builds computers on craigslist? You could get a much = better deal on a system and be able to customize it for your needs, instead of spending more to customize a pre-built Dell. good luck, if you have any questions about parts feel free to ask. -TG =20 =20 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Szab=F3 Gergely = wrote: Yeah unfortunately It cost that much. As the Production Premium CS6 was 3.500 USD too. I am a Mac user now. So I don't like to build machines by myself. Can I = put Hackintosh to theese machines? As far as I have seen here on the list. The most of you (who has a PC) preffer the Core i7 CPU-s instead of the XEON-s. Gergo 6/16/13 7:07 PM keltez=E9ssel, Teddy Gage =EDrta: Yeah that sounds like a nice machine, but $2k USD? that system should be closer to 1200 USD or less. However I don't know what the markup and tax = / VAT is like where you are. Or you could build it yourself for around = $700 too I think. Also, I use an external RAID 0 enclosure through USB 3.0, = it is very fast. I would highly suggest an SSD to install your OS on, it makes = a huge difference =20 =20 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Szab=F3 Gergely = wrote: Hi, I was looking for machines, andi I found the Dell XPS 8700 with Core = i7-4770 and Nvidia GTX 660. It cost only about 2.000 USD (in HUF) instead of the = HP Z420 or 620. What do you think? Does It worth the money? Maybe with an internal RAID? Thanks Gary +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn =20 --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0191_01CE6A99.110CB8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Teddy made great points. One more is that even if you have Dual CPU = Xeon budget it’s much smarter to use that for two i7 boxes. No = matter how fast and/or multithreaded a box is, it will be tied up for = some reason. Yes you can background render but 90% of the intense = renders I do make a machine highly unusable for background rendering. = Having multiple boxes really speeds stuff along.

 

stephen van vuuren

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From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Szab=F3 Gergely
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 1:37 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] = DELL XPS 8700 woth it?

 

I guess = than I have to  buy the machine without GPU and buy a GTX = 680.

One place where I work recently, just bought a Z220 with = Core i7 and SSD-s 16Gb Ram (almost the same configuration), with Win7. I = will give It a shot. I like the simplicity of the OSX. And on my iMac, I = haven't installed again my system since 3 years.

My problem is = that this config, with a GTX 680 or 770 (and a 27" Dell display) = would be almost the same price like the new iMac with the = GTX680M.

I don't know why can't the Apple support some Classified = workstations for OSX (like Z family, Precision). It would be much easier = decision.

Gary

ps.: Yeah there are many small shop who = build the system, but I prefer the "instant get" feeling = ;)

6/16/13 7:24 PM keltez=E9ssel, Teddy Gage = =EDrta:

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>That makes sense. No, = you would not be able to install any version of OSX on that machine. = hackintosh OSX only works with very specific hardware configurations. = And is not very stable. If you are not very familiar with PCs, I = wouldn't even try to make it a hackintosh. It requires a lot of BIOS = manipulation and computer knowledge. However I love windows 7, I don't = think you'd have too many problems making the switch.

Yes, xeon = chips are great but you only get about 10-20% increase in speed for a = 50%+ markup in price, so it's not really worth it. Like you said I much = prefer the i7 series for cost vs. performance.

I would spend the = difference on a better graphics card than the GT 660. Is there the = option for at least a GTX 680? the 6xx series cards are not very = efficient at CUDA and compute performance.

Last question, is there = any other company who builds computers in your country, like a smaller = online business that could ship locally? Or even an individual who = builds computers on craigslist? You could get a much better deal on a = system and be able to customize it for your needs, instead of spending = more to customize a pre-built Dell.

good luck, if you have any questions about parts feel = free to ask.

-TG

 

 

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Szab=F3 Gergely = <formic.gergo@gmail.com> = wrote:

Yeah unfortunately = It cost that much. As the Production Premium CS6 was 3.500 USD = too.

I am a Mac user now. So I don't like to build machines by = myself. Can I put Hackintosh to theese machines?

As far as I have = seen here on the list. The most of you (who has a PC) preffer the Core = i7 CPU-s instead of the XEON-s.

Gergo

6/16/13 7:07 PM = keltez=E9ssel, Teddy Gage = =EDrta:

Yeah that sounds like a nice machine, but $2k USD? = that system should be closer to 1200 USD or less. However I don't know = what the markup and tax / VAT is like where you are. Or you could build = it yourself for around $700 too I think. Also, I use an external RAID 0 = enclosure through USB 3.0, it is very fast. I would highly suggest an = SSD to install your OS on, it makes a huge = difference

 

 

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Szab=F3 Gergely = <formic.gergo@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I was looking for machines, andi I found = the Dell XPS 8700 with Core i7-4770 and Nvidia GTX 660. It cost only = about 2.000 USD (in HUF) instead of the HP Z420 or 620. What do you = think? Does It worth the money? Maybe with an internal = RAID?

Thanks
Gary

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