Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f49.google.com ([209.85.128.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5115203 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:31:37 +0200 Received: by mail-qe0-f49.google.com with SMTP id cz11so39897qeb.8 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cJPyckAFaF1diE5hFs4AkWmFKF/YhBEwme3D/sXNMuA=; b=yn6CwAiQyaOK46Q37y+lQFI+8DNPrctVvgzjSA+OvA0KvCnvyrcjnIFHYhOja+wn6p TaKxZ/xSgT1sDLgLkIqTjdziq8UR78nAQJOFnNbEIqxKEcppTHvK7AGZBCHUU76dPjRr mXFRoyfhC97Q+BZ9PYb4XTZ8AxmbTUtzZ5g0FywHyKvbJvtgKXw+x+zl1NR2Q/T1537T mTW4zOHb5KKZdZpiS6uK2u0KWJIMx865P2Mxswdwn80SeP8rrjlHr+2Q6mp8qKCezbU/ 7D94CYeQXauAdSiIE+cbB2ZTtnQxEWJ8599+/8mRgqvHHceS1N+bQU8Josza34l8vj74 R5og== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.35.65 with SMTP id f1mr6982154qej.72.1371840108571; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.35.164 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.35.164 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for After Effects work for a budget of $1500? From: Teddy Gage To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6776e85c505604dfae6a89 --047d7b6776e85c505604dfae6a89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks closely at read/write figures for the ssd brands. They are not all the same. I'd recommend 240 for your os drive is if you can afford it. I'm running out of space on my 120 already. Its all those 3d apps. If the faster ram is cheaper the timings may be slower. Or it is more unreliable. Win 7 over win 8. Win 8 is frustrating and offers 0 performance benefits On Jun 21, 2013 2:28 PM, "Anders Sundstedt" wrote: > Thanks Rik & Teddy, > > Rik, What about the p9x79 LE vs p9x79? There seems to be two models of th= e > p9x79? > > I am also thinking if I should go for 1 x 240 GB for OS and 2 x 120 GB in > Stripe RAID, or 1 x 120 GB for OS and 2 x 240 GB SSD in Stripe RAID. > > Also, any suggestions on INTEL 520 SSD vs KINSTON HYPERX 3K in reliabilit= y > / performance? > > I am leaning against the i7 3930K 6 core for my upgrade, although I don= =92t > know when it=92s the right time to buy! Any price drops on these componen= ts > anytime soon? > > Thanks > Anders > > *From:* rik bogusz > *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 7:05 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for After > Effects work for a budget of $1500? > > i'll second that. i just built a rig around the 3930k and the asus p9x79 > deluxe, and i have the cpu running at a steady, safe, 4.7ghz. > > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > Sandybridge, Ivybridge and haswell all are much easier to over clock > than the first gen i7 chips in the 9xx series. Additionally, new > motherboards have turbo boost or easy OC functions that make overclocking > a) very easy b) nearly impossible to screw up. I'd go with the asus line, > as they have a number of failsafes built in. In terms of pre-built > machines, it all depends on what you're willing to spend and who you buy = it > from. I'd go with a small builder for savings. but you will get less tech > support, obviously. > > The advantage of haswell is less heat output and less energy consumed. > Great for mobile devices and laptops but not many advantages in a > workstation where psu isn't an issue. > > IMO the best chip out there is still the sandybridge core i7 3930K, > because it has six cores, overclocks VERY well, and generates much less > heat than the ivy bridge chips. My ivy bridge machine runs almost 20c > hotter than the six core for whatever reason. So if you can find or build= a > machine with the asus p9 motherboard and a core i7 3930K for a little mor= e > money, I'd say it's worth it. > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Anders Sundstedt = wrote: > >> Hi Teddy, >> >> If one can afford it, is there a faster CPU that overclocks faster and >> outperforms the Intel 3770k? My concern is that I would rather buy an >> already overclocked custom PC at 4.5 gHz so I don=92t have to try and >> overclock it myself in case that fails. >> (like I=92ve failed to do with my current i7 930, hardly overclocks at a= ll >> for me). >> Is there any reason to consider getting one of these new Haswell i7 >> processors, or are they not any faster for AE work? I read they are not >> faster online. >> >> Thanks >> Anders >> >> >> >> *From:* Teddy Gage >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:13 PM >> *To:* After Effects Mail List >> *Subject:* Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for After >> Effects work for a budget of $1500? >> >> For that price here is the setup id recommend. May come out a bit over >> on price but you will be set for the next couple years >> >> Intel 3770k cpu @ 3.2ghz (easy to overclock) >> 1x 64 gb ssd to install your os >> 2x 128 gb ssd in raid 0 for cache and projects >> 1x 1TB 7200 rpm storage hdd >> 16 gb 2133 mhz RAM (or 32 gb if you can afford it) >> Corsair cpu water cooler either h100 or h80 >> Find a used nvidia gtx 580 for around $250-350, great for cuda and >> premiere encoding, including raytrace >> 700 w power supply >> >> My 2 c but that would be a great machine for your needs >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, May 15, 2013, Anders Sundstedt wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The computer I have is a few years old now, the spec is: >>> >>> Intel Core i7 CPU 930 @ 2.80 GHz >>> 12.0 GB RAM >>> Windows 7 64 bit >>> ATI FirePro V3800 graphics card >>> 2 x 24 inch 1920x1200 monitors. >>> 1 x OCZ-VERTEX2 ATA 60 GB SSD drive (for Windows 7 and Software). >>> (3 x Internal Hard Drives for scratch disk, projects and source files >>> etc. (all NTFS, one Hitachi rest WDC)). >>> >>> At the time this computer was a lot more than $1500. >>> >>> Now, since I assume a lot has happened since I got this (3rd generation >>> i7 CPU=92s etc. and faster graphics cards) I wanted your input on what = is the >>> top performing custom built or pre-built PC for this type of projects: >>> >>> The type of After Effects (CS6) work would be: >>> 1920x1080, 24 fps, short videos typically 1-3 minute animations with >>> standard 3D layers and Camera, Lights. >>> (Ray-traced 3D would currently not be so important as it doesn=92t >>> support: blending modes, layer styles and masks and effects on continuo= usly >>> rasterized layers (including text and shape transfers)). >>> >>> Any advice on what is the fastest that could replace it that would make >>> a big difference? (minimum 1 hard drive for operative system and one fo= r >>> project and one for scratch disk). >>> >>> Alternatively what would be the best component to replace/upgrade to >>> make the current setup much faster? >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> -Anders >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >> >> > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > > > --047d7b6776e85c505604dfae6a89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks closely at read/write figures for the ssd brands. They= are not all the same. I'd recommend 240 for your os drive is if you ca= n afford it. I'm running out of space on my 120 already. Its all those = 3d apps. If the faster ram is cheaper the timings may be slower. Or it is m= ore unreliable. Win 7 over win 8. Win 8 is frustrating and offers 0 perform= ance benefits

On Jun 21, 2013 2:28 PM, "Anders Sundstedt&= quot; <sundstedt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Rik & Teddy,
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Rik, What about the p9x79 LE vs p9x79? There seems to be two models of= the=20 p9x79?
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I am also thinking if I should go for 1 x 240 GB for OS and 2 x 120 GB= in=20 Stripe RAID, or 1 x 120 GB for OS and 2 x 240 GB SSD in Stripe RAID.
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Also, any suggestions on INTEL 520 SSD vs KINSTON HYPERX 3K in reliabi= lity=20 / performance?
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I am leaning against the i7 3930K 6 core for my upgrade, although I do= n=92t=20 know when it=92s the right time to buy! Any price drops on these components= =20 anytime soon?

Thanks
Anders
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Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible for = After=20 Effects work for a budget of $1500?
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i'll=20 second that. i just built a rig around the 3930k and the asus p9x79 deluxe,= and=20 i have the cpu running at a steady, safe, 4.7ghz.=A0=20
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On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
Sandybridge, Ivybridge and haswell all are much easier t= o over=20 clock than the first gen i7 chips in the 9xx series. Additionally, new=20 motherboards have turbo boost or easy OC functions that make overclocking= a)=20 very easy b) nearly impossible to screw up. I'd go with the asus line= , as they=20 have a number of failsafes built in. In terms of pre-built machines, it a= ll=20 depends on what you're willing to spend and who you buy it from. I= 9;d go with a=20 small builder for savings. but you will get less tech support,=20 obviously.=A0=20
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The advantage of haswell is less heat output and less energy consume= d.=20 Great for mobile devices and laptops but not many advantages in a worksta= tion=20 where psu isn't an issue.
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IMO the best chip out there is still the sandybridge core i7 3930K,= =20 because it has six cores, overclocks VERY well, and generates much less h= eat=20 than the ivy bridge chips. My ivy bridge machine runs almost 20c hotter t= han=20 the six core for whatever reason. So if you can find or build a machine w= ith=20 the asus p9 motherboard and a core i7 3930K for a little more money, I= 9;d say=20 it's worth it.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Anders Sundst= edt <sundstedt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Teddy,
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If one can afford it, is there a faster CPU that overclocks faster= and=20 outperforms the Intel 3770k? My concern is that I would rather buy an= =20 already overclocked custom PC at 4.5 gHz so I don=92t have to try and= =20 overclock it myself in case that fails.
(like I=92ve failed to do with my current i7 930, hardly overclock= s at=20 all for me).
Is there any reason to consider getting one of these ne= w=20 Haswell i7 processors, or are they not any faster for AE work? I read t= hey=20 are not faster online.
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Thanks
Anders
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From: Teddy Gage
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] The currently fastest PC config possible = for=20 After Effects work for a budget of $1500?
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For that price here is the setup id recommend. May come out a=20 bit over on price but you will be set for the next couple years=20
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Intel 3770k cpu @ 3.2ghz (easy to overclock)
1x 64 gb ssd to install your os
2x 128 gb ssd in raid 0 for cache and projects
1x 1TB 7200 rpm storage hdd
16 gb 2133 mhz RAM (or 32 gb if you can afford it)
Corsair cpu water cooler either h100 or h80
Find a used nvidia gtx 580 for around $250-350, great for cuda and= =20 premiere encoding, including raytrace
700 w power supply
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My 2 c but that would be a great machine for your=20 needs
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On Wednesday, May 15, 2013, Anders Sundstedt=20 wrote:
Hi,
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The computer I have is a few years old now, the spec is:
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Intel Core i7 CPU 930 @ 2.80 GHz
12.0 GB RAM
Windows 7 64 bit
ATI FirePro V3800 graphics card
2 x 24 inch 1920x1200 monitors.
1 x OCZ-VERTEX2 ATA 60 GB SSD= =20 drive (for Windows 7 and Software).
(3 x Internal Hard Drives for= =20 scratch disk, projects and source files etc. (all NTFS, one Hitachi r= est=20 WDC)).
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At the time this computer was a lot more than $1500.

Now, since I assume a lot has happened since I got this (3rd= =20 generation i7 CPU=92s etc. and faster graphics cards) I wanted your i= nput on=20 what is the top performing custom built or pre-built PC for this type= of=20 projects:

The type of After Effects (CS6) work would be:
1920x1080, 24 fps, short videos typically 1-3 minute animations = with=20 standard 3D layers and Camera, Lights.
(Ray-traced 3D would currently not be so important as it doesn= =92t=20 support: blending modes, layer styles and masks and effects on=20 continuously rasterized layers (including text and shape=20 transfers)).

Any advice on what is the fastest that could repl= ace=20 it that would make a big difference? (minimum 1 hard drive for operat= ive=20 system and one for project and one for scratch disk).

Alternat= ively=20 what would be the best component to replace/upgrade to make the curre= nt=20 setup much faster?

Thanks in=20 advance!

-Anders
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