Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5119589 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:17:20 +0200 Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Odoa/2vY c=1 sm=0 a=kxnugH6Wy5bl5vZ3xW/I5w==:17 a=DQZvOVXRM6cA:10 a=Zq2FpVYgtBoA:10 a=bjq9PpNSDe0A:10 a=LaNeyJ9lAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=PVQLSmVWfigA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=RqOAJGx8AAAA:8 a=UpHcKsyHv1MRlNTsXdkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=L67R7YQVgx4A:10 a=_ZcFjiH73_8A:10 a=YZuOTW1gxJiZ0nbQ2G4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=IaJSncXmqYGxgVke:21 a=kxnugH6Wy5bl5vZ3xW/I5w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 24.24.234.97 Received: from [24.24.234.97] ([24.24.234.97:34184] helo=[10.0.1.2]) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 81/E5-07405-A1009C15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:27:39 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:27:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] Comps Not Syncing From: Lachlan Westfall To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [AE] Comps Not Syncing Thread-Index: Ac5xS489zaNVyt0+EeK6BwAfWzIHkA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3454946859_1065749" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3454946859_1065749 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes... I have most, if not all of these options applied. I was just about to jump to CC but the OS I=B9m currently using does not support CC!!!!! So now I=B9m faced with =B3killing=B2 vintage 3D tools.... Or upgrading my OS. This is an untenable option right now. -L On 6/24/13 6:50 PM, "Jeff Almasol" wrote: > re: C... base frame. >=20 > hmm, are you using multiple roto brush spans, or just a single span? i be= lieve > there was an issue (fixed in CC) that dealt with the end frames of adjace= nt > spans when a temporal-related property (e.g., reduce chatter or use motio= n > blur) was enabled. if two spans are abutting at the problem frame, it's > probably this issue. aside from trying CC (probably not a thing to do on > deadline), it _might_ be possible to remove one of the spans, lengthen th= e > other to cover it, to see if that helps. however, the segmentation might > change with the underlying foreground & background strokes now using a > different base frame. >=20 > thanks in advance for sending a sample project. >=20 > :jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Lachlan Westfall > wrote: >> Jeff, >>=20 >> VERY good questions.... >>=20 >> A) purging the memory DID change the display at one point. But the probl= em >> came back the next time I did anything. One frame earlier if I recall... >>=20 >> B) 11.0.2.11 >>=20 >> C) It=B9s the roto-brushed footage and it seems that the problem occurs ri= ght >> when there=B9s a =B3Key Frame=B2 (I know that=B9s not what it=B9s called) in the r= oto >> brush. >>=20 >> D) this always happens when there are multiple projects on deadline. I=B9l= l try >> to get a simplified project together in the morning. >>=20 >> Thanks!!!! >>=20 >> -L >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 6/24/13 5:43 PM, "Jeff Almasol" wrote: >>=20 >>> hi lachlan, >>>=20 >>> if you're parked on the problem frame, does purging the memory cache fi= x it? >>> if not, and if the disk cache is enabled, try disabling/emptying the di= sk >>> cache, then purging the memory cache. does that fix it? >>>=20 >>> are you on 11.0.2? it fixed a few caching-related bugs. >>>=20 >>> is it the roto brushed footage or masked footage that's causing the pro= blem >>> (i.e., if you mute one or other does the problem no longer appear)? >>>=20 >>> if neither fixes it, would you be able to send us (aebugs@adobe.com) a >>> simplified project, and w/ sample footage (if it's related to roto brus= h)? >>>=20 >>> thanks, >>> :jeff >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Lachlan Westfall >>> wrote: >>>> I=B9m doing a roto job in AE CS6 >>>>=20 >>>> It=B9s a combo of rotobrush and standard rotoscoping. >>>>=20 >>>> I having a problem where on certain frames the comps will go out of sy= nc >>>> for one frame and then be right on the next frame. >>>>=20 >>>> Details: >>>>=20 >>>> EVERYTHING is at 24fps. >>>>=20 >>>> Footage is lots of hands waving. >>>>=20 >>>> I have one source comp with the footage in it. I=B9ll drag that comp int= o a >>>> master comp and then roto out a hand. >>>>=20 >>>> Then I=B9ll drag the SAME source comp into the master comp and roto out = an >>>> arm. >>>>=20 >>>> When I RAM preview or Render, they=B9ll go out of sync about 10 frames i= n. >>>>=20 >>>> I=B9ve even rendered out the clips and re-imported as a PS sequencing >>>> thinking it might be a QuickTime issue. Same problem. >>>>=20 >>>> Any ideas? >>>>=20 >>>> -Lachlan Westfall >>>> Quiet Earth Design >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3454946859_1065749 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [AE] Comps Not Syncing Yes... I have most, if not all of these options applied.

I was just about to jump to CC but the OS I’m currently using does no= t support CC!!!!!

So now I’m faced with “killing” vintage 3D tools.... Or u= pgrading my OS.

This is an untenable option right now.

-L

On 6/24/13 6:50 PM, "Jeff Almasol" <redefinery@gmail.com> w= rote:

re: C... base frame.

hmm, are you using multiple roto brush spans, or just a single span? i beli= eve there was an issue (fixed in CC) that dealt with the end frames of adjac= ent spans when a temporal-related property (e.g., reduce chatter or use moti= on blur) was enabled. if two spans are abutting at the problem frame, it's p= robably this issue. aside from trying CC (probably not a thing to do on dead= line), it _might_ be possible to remove one of the spans, lengthen the other= to cover it, to see if that helps. however, the segmentation might change w= ith the underlying foreground & background strokes now using a different= base frame.

thanks in advance for sending a sample project.

:jeff



On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Lachlan Westfall <lachlan@quietearth.ne= t> wrote:
Jeff,

VERY good questions....

A) purging the memory DID change the display at one point. But the problem = came back the next time I did anything. One frame earlier if I recall...

B) 11.0.2.11

C) It’s the roto-brushed footage and it seems that the problem occurs= right when there’s a “Key Frame” (I know that’s not= what it’s called) in the roto brush.

D) this always happens when there are multiple projects on deadline. I̵= 7;ll try to get a simplified project together in the morning.

Thanks!!!!

-L



On 6/24/13 5:43 PM, "Jeff Almasol" <redefinery@gmail.com> w= rote:

hi lachlan,

if you're parked on the problem frame, does purging the memory cache fix it= ? if not, and if the disk cache is enabled, try disabling/emptying the disk = cache, then purging the memory cache. does that fix it?

are you on 11.0.2? it fixed a few caching-related bugs.

is it the roto brushed footage or masked footage that's causing the problem= (i.e., if you mute one or other does the problem no longer appear)?

if neither fixes it, would you be able to send us (aebugs@adobe.com) a simp= lified project, and w/ sample footage (if it's related to roto brush)?

thanks,
:jeff




On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Lachlan Westfall <lachlan@quietearth.ne= t> wrote:
I’m doing a roto job in AE CS6

It’s a combo of rotobrush and standard rotoscoping.

I having a problem where on certain frames the comps will go out of sync fo= r one frame and then be right on the next frame.

Details:

EVERYTHING is at 24fps.

Footage is lots of hands waving.

I have one source comp with the footage in it. I’ll drag that comp in= to a master comp and then roto out a hand.

Then I’ll drag the SAME source comp into the master comp and roto out= an arm.

When I RAM preview or Render, they’ll go out of sync about 10 frames = in.

I’ve even rendered out the clips and re-imported as a PS sequencing t= hinking it might be a QuickTime issue. Same problem.

Any ideas?

-Lachlan Westfall
Quiet Earth Design






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