Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5135628 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:50:22 +0200 Received: from mbp-17.westell.com (50-55-11-251.waus.wi.frontiernet.net [50.55.11.251]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M9bGh-1V2yQ107fb-00C8o1; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:01:07 -0400 From: Steve Oakley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ECF66B72-77C3-4F93-AB34-DA2A92808BEC" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Best Render Settings for Color Match Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:01:05 -0500 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ZfRf9vut+6sbK/KLB6CgwsK1n7faVDXDfCMec2qTWkE ZEz3F4E+fjYL9pQPQ8KSNsRMwd4rDgYF954/S0UidxkV6PjUQo Gkz2fsh6N5Mkx6QVFwrcjcE23AGWkLoHx5oj+zEqxq8LxhvaiZ 5pV6Rh3ec5BCtIX+ay7MZAgaLzBX5/TsOZPwVBvZHKr8jpKjsl 0cIyH1HOvAVgtD+q91il1JiQN9/0/0ry4houQ2StcOkmPD3h0M LMbWX+RM2/BnaaWlYrBU9nK55ya9exVobQhzLijyTECXeGfzWE ZdQwnzxR2kRhbw7z6ft7RuxfdlO/3fcNCiCP6KCtS245erW74S WD3dPKnwdM5kEgwOrpGuyOk5K3PNP/HkJh5s/CX+/NQ/I+4qv4 pjHl9XIZrk6AQ== --Apple-Mail=_ECF66B72-77C3-4F93-AB34-DA2A92808BEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'd probably suggest rendering to an image sequence. give them one of = the files from the sequence, or just render 1 frame from the comp via = render que for previews in the same format you will render the final in = like TGA or TIFF. then you are rendering to the same format and avoid = all the other things in the middle that can change things like codec / = QT / image viewer / player / color manglement ect. PP is happy to work = with the img sequence provided your storage is up to it. and I feel your pain... been there. in fact I have taken clients and = shown them how the same tape (betaSP days! ) looks different on 3 or 4 = different monitors when they got all an#l retentive about a specific = color. I'd also just say to them unless you plan to personally adjust = every monitor your thing is shown on, this is how it is and you have no = control over it. they grumble and then accept it. Ah, NTSC :) S On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: > Hi Steve, > =20 > While I acknowledge all that you said, that's not gonna fly too well. = :) lol But you are right. I see differences like that all the time. = The issue here however, is I can render 1 still image from AE and get = approval and then I render the video and see slight differences where I = would expect it to be pretty consistent. > =20 > So, to my original question, even with your valid points, what do you = or anyone see as the cleanest loss-less render options? > =20 > Thanks, > Eric >=20 > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Steve Oakley = wrote: > show them what will happen once it hits vimeo or YT and how h.264 = playback varies between the two, and across browsers even on the same = machine. basically convince them they are on a fool's errand and the 1% = difference they are worried about now will be more like a 10% difference = if they are lucky between vimeo / browser / OS never mind monitors.... = that or just tweak your monitor before they come in the room for = playback :) >=20 > S >=20 > On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >=20 >> Hello All, >>=20 >> I'm working a project where the person has an eye for color like you = wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after render is = presenting a problem for me. >>=20 >> What are the best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 = project? I'm spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need = this to work right. >>=20 >> In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few notches in the = rendered file. =20 >>=20 >> And just some additional info. The plan is to render out the files = from AE, then take in to Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file = suitable for Vimeo. >>=20 >> Appreciate it. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > The Night Visitor | VFX > 443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail=_ECF66B72-77C3-4F93-AB34-DA2A92808BEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 kirkproductions@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Hi Steve,
 
While I = acknowledge all that you said, that's not gonna fly too well. :)  = lol  But you are right.  I see differences like that all the = time.  The issue here however, is I can render 1 still image from = AE and get approval and then I render the video and see slight = differences where I would expect it to be pretty consistent.
 
So, to my original question, even with your valid = points, what do you or anyone see as the cleanest loss-less render = options?
 
Thanks,
Eric

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Steve Oakley = <steveo@practicali.com> wrote:
show them what will happen once it hits = vimeo or YT and how h.264 playback varies between the two, and across = browsers even on the same machine. basically convince them they are on a = fool's errand and the 1% difference they are worried about now will be = more like a 10% difference if they are lucky between vimeo / browser / = OS never mind monitors.... that or just tweak your monitor before they = come in the room for playback :)

S

On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Mr. = Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hello All,

I'm working a project where the person has an eye = for color like you wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after = render is presenting a problem for me.

What are = the best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 project? =  I'm spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need this = to work right.

In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few = notches in the rendered file.  

And just = some additional info.  The plan is to render out the files from AE, = then take in to Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable for = Vimeo.

Appreciate = it.

Eric

Eric D. Kirk = | Kirk Productions
The Night Visitor | = VFX




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