Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5136739 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:13:49 +0200 Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id up14so9042699obb.28 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=RPOTW6vboGqAf4RMkYLojKsLNHyl4iNZu8ux6gGTMlI=; b=R2zy35v2w9qxP8NJUKKi+MHUfcsIKfMdUYjIe+b6kQwO238U+Tyh8REbFPcAQ8LRgF bHeXWQu+IkPoKp7e318U4VH41E2lzprPzM/cTBIPXB+P9AJW724qd+nDFAgfarF2zTiG ZtsUGfnGdtlmWl2cqaaOZSLvilasBWCEIJ2rmJhTIhuaRPSHzpywsnuDk3vAA3J/jQIY UtJ9b4wIYAsDJleb2r3ifAlIv095Di2RR+xYLqMsjOMdoPVAUIVQyOYHJ/XNGGC2uNPl 6iGU++2rHLGFdSwBCLvanvtyVfkoW00pT1eDtl0hTWzmj/2k9sHe2QZQqWWMNnF9UVOs FhIg== X-Received: by 10.60.138.137 with SMTP id qq9mr29074365oeb.8.1373484277379; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.105.33 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jayse Hansen Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Best Render Settings for Color Match To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41bb2a753a2b04e12d3a23 --047d7b41bb2a753a2b04e12d3a23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ur welcome - >Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings? you go to Adobe Bridge - the program - and look at the bottom of its Edit menu. It's a program I rarely use - but it does have a super awesome renaming function for renaming image sequences to the folder name. hope that helps! // jayse -------------------------------- Jayse Hansen Fancy Fake UI design for Film www.jayse.tv jayse@jayse.tv 702-321-3449 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: > Jayse, > > Excellent information. Thanks! > > Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings? > > Eric > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jayse Hansen wrote: > >> 'Fool's errand' is kinda right - color is a mess still. >> >> But there's a few things you can do. >> >> Keep it as simple as possible - make sure your apps are set to be all the >> same via Bridge - choose edit/creative suite color settings. I use north >> american web/internet. This is sRGB - which if you keep everything in this >> mode - it's kinda no muss no fuss. >> >> In ae - if you're rendering out h264/ or Prores etc. (mp4/mov) I've found >> you'll experience awful gamma/saturation shifts unless you go to project >> settings - enable working space set to srgb and check 'Match Legacy AE >> Quicktime Gamma Adjustments". Then your renders should match your comp view >> pretty dang close. >> >> Pretty much everything you use will assume sRGB so I've found it's good >> to just keep everything in that mode. >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> // jayse >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------- >> Jayse Hansen >> Fancy Fake UI design for Film >> www.jayse.tv >> jayse@jayse.tv >> 702-321-3449 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The gamma differences, I'm sure can play a part but if I get a still >>> that suits him, then gamma is no longer a player. So, whatever it looks >>> like on his end should still look that way whether I render 1 frame or >>> 4000. I mean if I rendered a white frame and sent to him and he saw black >>> but was happy with black, then every white frame I send, should be black to >>> him. lol If that makes any sense. :) >>> >>> So, I'm just trying to ensure that the single frame example reflects the >>> rest. And just to further clarify, I am also seeing the difference myself >>> between a still and a video that I render. >>> >>> I rendered a still that had the perfect greenish hue that he wanted then >>> I rendered full video and the greens were several notches up. >>> >>> But I will fiddle with it more tonight and see if the DNX codec helps or >>> maybe I go to the extreme and try and press the greens to a lesser degree >>> so that it looks good on render. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >>> >>>> well, could it just be simply the mac-pc gamma differences? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks James. I'm on a PC. >>>> >>>> I have the cinepac thing to convert to prores though. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, James Culbertson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've had good luck with ProRes to x264 through Episode Pro when played >>>>> back on my own system. But the minute you send it anywhere else forget >>>>> about it. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>>>> >>>>> try out the free avid dnx codec package, it includes a 4444 lossless >>>>> codec that has worked well for me in the past >>>>> >>>>> like Steve said though, unless you have a $5,000 monitor and a $3,000 >>>>> calibrator for every monitor good luck ever achieving this. >>>>> >>>>> at a minimum you'd need a quadro that supports 10bit color output and >>>>> a monitor that supports it >>>>> >>>>> and the codec is going to do all kinds of hell, not to mention codec >>>>> -> vimeo servers compression (they do their own compression server-side) it >>>>> will be nearly impossible to maintain that exact color. I do seem to think >>>>> mp4 has better color support than h264 but the temporal compression is >>>>> pretty bad, so it's a trade-off >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working a project where the person has an eye for color like you >>>>>> wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after render is presenting >>>>>> a problem for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> What are the best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 >>>>>> project? I'm spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need this >>>>>> to work right. >>>>>> >>>>>> In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few notches in the >>>>>> rendered file. >>>>>> >>>>>> And just some additional info. The plan is to render out the files >>>>>> from AE, then take in to Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable >>>>>> for Vimeo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Appreciate it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Animator & Editor >>>>> www.teddygage.com >>>>> Brooklyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>> * * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>> *443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>> * * >>> >> >> > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com* > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* > * * > --047d7b41bb2a753a2b04e12d3a23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ur welcome -=A0

>Where exactly do I go for these Br= idge settings?

you go to Adobe Bridge - the program - and look at the bottom of i= ts Edit menu.=A0

It's a program I rarely use - but it does have a super awesome= renaming function for renaming image sequences to the folder name.=A0

=
hope that helps!

// jayse

=
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Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film
jayse@jayse.tv
702-321-3449



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Er= ic D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Jayse,
=A0
Excellent information.=A0 Thanks!=A0
=A0
Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings?
=A0
Eric

<= /div>
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 P= M, Jayse Hansen <mographer@gmail.com> wrote:
'Fool's errand' is kinda righ= t - color is a mess still.=A0

But there's a few things you can do.

Keep it as simple as possible - make sure your apps are set to be all= the same via Bridge - choose edit/creative suite color settings. I use nor= th american web/internet. This is sRGB - which if you keep everything in th= is mode - it's kinda no muss no fuss.

In ae - if you're rendering out h264/ or Prores etc. (mp= 4/mov) I've found you'll experience awful gamma/saturation shifts u= nless you go to project settings - enable working space set to srgb and che= ck 'Match Legacy AE Quicktime Gamma Adjustments". Then your render= s should match your comp view pretty dang close.=A0

Pretty much everything you use will assume sRGB so I= 9;ve found it's good to just keep everything in that mode.=A0

Hope that helps!

// jayse

=A0




--------------------------------
Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film
jayse@jayse.tv



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mr. Eric= D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
The gamma differences, I'm sure can=A0play a part but if I get a s= till that suits him, then gamma is no longer a player. So, whatever it look= s like on his end should still look that way whether I render 1 frame or 40= 00.=A0 I mean if I rendered a=A0white frame and sent to him and he saw blac= k but was happy with black, then every white frame I send, should be black = to him. lol=A0 If that makes any sense. :)
=A0
So, I'm just trying to ensure that the single frame = example reflects the rest.=A0 And just to further clarify, I am also seeing= the difference myself between a still and a video that I render.
=A0
I rendered a still that had the perfect greenish hue that he = wanted then I rendered full video and the greens were several notches up.
=A0
But I will fiddle with it more tonight and see if th= e DNX codec helps or maybe I go to the extreme and try and press the greens= to a lesser degree so that it looks good on render.
=A0
Eric
=A0


=A0
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rik bog= usz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
well, could= it just be simply the mac-pc gamma differences?


On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, &= quot;Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks James.=A0 I'm on a PC.
=A0
I have the c= inepac thing to convert to prores though.

Eric

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, James Culbertson = <albion@speakeasy.net> wrote:
I've had good= luck with ProRes to x264 through Episode Pro when played back on my own sy= stem. But the minute you send it anywhere else forget about it.

James


On Jul 9, 2013,= at 10:41 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

try out the free avid dnx codec package, it include= s a 4444 lossless codec that has worked well for me in the past

like Steve said though, unless you have a $5,000 monitor and a $3= ,000 calibrator for every monitor good luck ever achieving this.

at a minimum you'd need a quadro that supports 10bit color ou= tput and a monitor that supports it

and the codec is going to = do all kinds of hell, not to mention codec -> vimeo servers compression = (they do their own compression server-side) it will be nearly impossible to= maintain that exact color. I do seem to think mp4 has better color support= than h264 but the temporal compression is pretty bad, so it's a trade-= off


On Mon,= Jul 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Hello All,

I'm working a project where the person has an eye f= or color like you wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after= render is presenting a problem for me.

What are t= he best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 project? =A0I&#= 39;m spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need this to work r= ight.

In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few not= ches in the rendered file. =A0

And just some addit= ional info. =A0The plan is to render out the files from AE, then take in to= Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable for Vimeo.

Appreciate it.

Eric

Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
The Night Vi= sitor | VFX



--
Animator & Editor
= www.teddygage= .com
Brooklyn

<= /span>



--
Eric D. Kirk |=A0= Kirk Productions
The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0




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Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
<= b>The Night Visitor | VFX
=A0




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