Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com ([209.85.223.170] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5136741 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:16:42 +0200 Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e11so16489665iej.15 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=E+ibjcZIF463zEN7W3kvZGX9K/bMstaoLNA7Y1Q4Gu0=; b=XiLArhhZ/6PVt+aZ/YABDLEQKh/byAMI9J2hx13nOG3qtABrhozTQggZRyGJQQKfKk xPMA3eEWU8hQkHpidyFRPOsV4fFKjIhJzGNeF4UEGj7NHclT1eixh/XU+k0pMZAiUTr7 IsGb3V8q4tRLFDbi1EvAw1pCsZb7exeQe5HbvIEtxABfBlXFSqQ2o0o7Z+V9YIOT19J2 j22ZMcfZ16tH0e7wErOjyTbpz+Q2wtU2gDHuc5V6pZ29HFLNiJRFPMDeQOrg28vVNui6 qNvyxCXvJDMBJZTFSHbudR9KBx0vXW0b7ZnaIDVpuaitBkWxpUk/tF49d/kzqlIixuqq RxTg== X-Received: by 10.42.79.142 with SMTP id r14mr10815829ick.51.1373484450334; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.5.201 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:27:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Best Render Settings for Color Match To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3010ea09c44f5e04e12d44d8 --20cf3010ea09c44f5e04e12d44d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Got it. Thanks! Eric On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jayse Hansen wrote: > ur welcome - > > >Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings? > > you go to Adobe Bridge - the program - and look at the bottom of its Edit > menu. > > It's a program I rarely use - but it does have a super awesome renaming > function for renaming image sequences to the folder name. > > hope that helps! > > // jayse > > -------------------------------- > Jayse Hansen > Fancy Fake UI design for Film > www.jayse.tv > jayse@jayse.tv > 702-321-3449 > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < > kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jayse, >> >> Excellent information. Thanks! >> >> Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings? >> >> Eric >> >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jayse Hansen wrote: >> >>> 'Fool's errand' is kinda right - color is a mess still. >>> >>> But there's a few things you can do. >>> >>> Keep it as simple as possible - make sure your apps are set to be all >>> the same via Bridge - choose edit/creative suite color settings. I use >>> north american web/internet. This is sRGB - which if you keep everything in >>> this mode - it's kinda no muss no fuss. >>> >>> In ae - if you're rendering out h264/ or Prores etc. (mp4/mov) I've >>> found you'll experience awful gamma/saturation shifts unless you go to >>> project settings - enable working space set to srgb and check 'Match Legacy >>> AE Quicktime Gamma Adjustments". Then your renders should match your comp >>> view pretty dang close. >>> >>> Pretty much everything you use will assume sRGB so I've found it's good >>> to just keep everything in that mode. >>> >>> Hope that helps! >>> >>> // jayse >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------- >>> Jayse Hansen >>> Fancy Fake UI design for Film >>> www.jayse.tv >>> jayse@jayse.tv >>> 702-321-3449 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The gamma differences, I'm sure can play a part but if I get a still >>>> that suits him, then gamma is no longer a player. So, whatever it looks >>>> like on his end should still look that way whether I render 1 frame or >>>> 4000. I mean if I rendered a white frame and sent to him and he saw black >>>> but was happy with black, then every white frame I send, should be black to >>>> him. lol If that makes any sense. :) >>>> >>>> So, I'm just trying to ensure that the single frame example reflects >>>> the rest. And just to further clarify, I am also seeing the difference >>>> myself between a still and a video that I render. >>>> >>>> I rendered a still that had the perfect greenish hue that he wanted >>>> then I rendered full video and the greens were several notches up. >>>> >>>> But I will fiddle with it more tonight and see if the DNX codec helps >>>> or maybe I go to the extreme and try and press the greens to a lesser >>>> degree so that it looks good on render. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >>>> >>>>> well, could it just be simply the mac-pc gamma differences? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" < >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks James. I'm on a PC. >>>>> >>>>> I have the cinepac thing to convert to prores though. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, James Culbertson >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've had good luck with ProRes to x264 through Episode Pro when >>>>>> played back on my own system. But the minute you send it anywhere else >>>>>> forget about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> try out the free avid dnx codec package, it includes a 4444 lossless >>>>>> codec that has worked well for me in the past >>>>>> >>>>>> like Steve said though, unless you have a $5,000 monitor and a $3,000 >>>>>> calibrator for every monitor good luck ever achieving this. >>>>>> >>>>>> at a minimum you'd need a quadro that supports 10bit color output and >>>>>> a monitor that supports it >>>>>> >>>>>> and the codec is going to do all kinds of hell, not to mention codec >>>>>> -> vimeo servers compression (they do their own compression server-side) it >>>>>> will be nearly impossible to maintain that exact color. I do seem to think >>>>>> mp4 has better color support than h264 but the temporal compression is >>>>>> pretty bad, so it's a trade-off >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working a project where the person has an eye for color like you >>>>>>> wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after render is presenting >>>>>>> a problem for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are the best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE >>>>>>> CS6 project? I'm spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need >>>>>>> this to work right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few notches in the >>>>>>> rendered file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And just some additional info. The plan is to render out the files >>>>>>> from AE, then take in to Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable >>>>>>> for Vimeo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Appreciate it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Animator & Editor >>>>>> www.teddygage.com >>>>>> Brooklyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>> * * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>> * * >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >> * * >> > > -- *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* *The Night Visitor | VFX* *443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com* *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* * * --20cf3010ea09c44f5e04e12d44d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got it.=A0 Thanks!

Eric

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jayse Hansen <= ;mographer@gmail.c= om> wrote:
ur welcome -=A0

>Where exactly do = I go for these Bridge settings?

you go to Adobe Bridge - the program - and look at the bottom of its Edi= t menu.=A0

It's a program I rarely use - but it does have a super awesome renam= ing function for renaming image sequences to the folder name.=A0

hop= e that helps!

// jayse

<= div dir=3D"ltr">
----------= ----------------------
Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film
jayse@jayse.tv



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Er= ic D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Jayse,
=A0
Excellent information.=A0 Thanks!=A0
=A0
Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings?
=A0
Eric

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jayse Hans= en <mographer@gmail.com> wrote:
'Fool's errand' is kinda righ= t - color is a mess still.=A0

But there's a few things you can do.

Keep it as simple as possible - make sure your apps are set to be all= the same via Bridge - choose edit/creative suite color settings. I use nor= th american web/internet. This is sRGB - which if you keep everything in th= is mode - it's kinda no muss no fuss.

In ae - if you're rendering out h264/ or Prores etc. (mp= 4/mov) I've found you'll experience awful gamma/saturation shifts u= nless you go to project settings - enable working space set to srgb and che= ck 'Match Legacy AE Quicktime Gamma Adjustments". Then your render= s should match your comp view pretty dang close.=A0

Pretty much everything you use will assume sRGB so I= 9;ve found it's good to just keep everything in that mode.=A0

Hope that helps!

// jayse

=A0




--------------------------------
Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film
jayse@jayse.tv



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mr. Eric= D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
The gamma differences, I'm sure can=A0play a part but if I get a s= till that suits him, then gamma is no longer a player. So, whatever it look= s like on his end should still look that way whether I render 1 frame or 40= 00.=A0 I mean if I rendered a=A0white frame and sent to him and he saw blac= k but was happy with black, then every white frame I send, should be black = to him. lol=A0 If that makes any sense. :)
=A0
So, I'm just trying to ensure that the single frame = example reflects the rest.=A0 And just to further clarify, I am also seeing= the difference myself between a still and a video that I render.
=A0
I rendered a still that had the perfect greenish hue that he = wanted then I rendered full video and the greens were several notches up.
=A0
But I will fiddle with it more tonight and see if th= e DNX codec helps or maybe I go to the extreme and try and press the greens= to a lesser degree so that it looks good on render.
=A0
Eric
=A0


=A0
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rik bog= usz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
well, could= it just be simply the mac-pc gamma differences?


On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, &= quot;Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks James.=A0 I'm on a PC.
=A0
I have the c= inepac thing to convert to prores though.

Eric

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, James Culbertson = <albion@speakeasy.net> wrote:
I've had good= luck with ProRes to x264 through Episode Pro when played back on my own sy= stem. But the minute you send it anywhere else forget about it.

James


On Jul 9, 2013,= at 10:41 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

try out the free avid dnx codec package, it include= s a 4444 lossless codec that has worked well for me in the past

like Steve said though, unless you have a $5,000 monitor and a $3= ,000 calibrator for every monitor good luck ever achieving this.

at a minimum you'd need a quadro that supports 10bit color ou= tput and a monitor that supports it

and the codec is going to = do all kinds of hell, not to mention codec -> vimeo servers compression = (they do their own compression server-side) it will be nearly impossible to= maintain that exact color. I do seem to think mp4 has better color support= than h264 but the temporal compression is pretty bad, so it's a trade-= off


On Mon,= Jul 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Hello All,

I'm working a project where the person has an eye f= or color like you wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after= render is presenting a problem for me.

What are t= he best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 project? =A0I&#= 39;m spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need this to work r= ight.

In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few not= ches in the rendered file. =A0

And just some addit= ional info. =A0The plan is to render out the files from AE, then take in to= Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable for Vimeo.

Appreciate it.

Eric

Eric D. Kirk |=A0Kirk Productions
The Night Vi= sitor | VFX



--
Animator & Editor
= www.teddygage= .com
Brooklyn

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The Night Visitor | VFX
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The Night Visitor | VFX
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