Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv ? Message #50019
From: Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AE] Best Render Settings for Color Match [for Jayse]
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:43:05 -0400
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Jayse or anyone that might know,

I finally got around to trying this and set the AE project settings as you specified but when I try it in Adobe Bridge, it gives me an error of "Suite Color Management Not Enabled, Suite Color Management requires that a qualifying product has been launched at least once to enable this feature".

Any idea how to fix that?  I thought having just enabled the setting in AE, maybe relaunching AE might work and then launching bridge again but it did not.

Appreciate it.

Eric

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Got it.  Thanks!

Eric

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jayse Hansen <mographer@gmail.com> wrote:
ur welcome - 

>Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings?

you go to Adobe Bridge - the program - and look at the bottom of its Edit menu. 

It's a program I rarely use - but it does have a super awesome renaming function for renaming image sequences to the folder name. 

hope that helps!

// jayse

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Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Jayse,
 
Excellent information.  Thanks! 
 
Where exactly do I go for these Bridge settings?
 
Eric

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jayse Hansen <mographer@gmail.com> wrote:
'Fool's errand' is kinda right - color is a mess still. 

But there's a few things you can do.

Keep it as simple as possible - make sure your apps are set to be all the same via Bridge - choose edit/creative suite color settings. I use north american web/internet. This is sRGB - which if you keep everything in this mode - it's kinda no muss no fuss.

In ae - if you're rendering out h264/ or Prores etc. (mp4/mov) I've found you'll experience awful gamma/saturation shifts unless you go to project settings - enable working space set to srgb and check 'Match Legacy AE Quicktime Gamma Adjustments". Then your renders should match your comp view pretty dang close. 

Pretty much everything you use will assume sRGB so I've found it's good to just keep everything in that mode. 

Hope that helps!

// jayse

 




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Jayse Hansen
Fancy Fake UI design for Film



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
The gamma differences, I'm sure can play a part but if I get a still that suits him, then gamma is no longer a player. So, whatever it looks like on his end should still look that way whether I render 1 frame or 4000.  I mean if I rendered a white frame and sent to him and he saw black but was happy with black, then every white frame I send, should be black to him. lol  If that makes any sense. :)
 
So, I'm just trying to ensure that the single frame example reflects the rest.  And just to further clarify, I am also seeing the difference myself between a still and a video that I render.
 
I rendered a still that had the perfect greenish hue that he wanted then I rendered full video and the greens were several notches up.
 
But I will fiddle with it more tonight and see if the DNX codec helps or maybe I go to the extreme and try and press the greens to a lesser degree so that it looks good on render.
 
Eric
 


 
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, rik bogusz <rik.gaijin@mac.com> wrote:
well, could it just be simply the mac-pc gamma differences?


On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks James.  I'm on a PC.
 
I have the cinepac thing to convert to prores though.

Eric

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net> wrote:
I've had good luck with ProRes to x264 through Episode Pro when played back on my own system. But the minute you send it anywhere else forget about it.

James


On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

try out the free avid dnx codec package, it includes a 4444 lossless codec that has worked well for me in the past

like Steve said though, unless you have a $5,000 monitor and a $3,000 calibrator for every monitor good luck ever achieving this.

at a minimum you'd need a quadro that supports 10bit color output and a monitor that supports it

and the codec is going to do all kinds of hell, not to mention codec -> vimeo servers compression (they do their own compression server-side) it will be nearly impossible to maintain that exact color. I do seem to think mp4 has better color support than h264 but the temporal compression is pretty bad, so it's a trade-off


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

I'm working a project where the person has an eye for color like you wouldn't believe and any slight change in color after render is presenting a problem for me.

What are the best AE render settings to maintain color from my AE CS6 project?  I'm spending an enormous amount of time rendering so I need this to work right.

In one shot, my greens seem to have jumped up a few notches in the rendered file.  

And just some additional info.  The plan is to render out the files from AE, then take in to Adobe Premiere to render out an HD file suitable for Vimeo.

Appreciate it.

Eric

Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions
The Night Visitor | VFX



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