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[50.131.59.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ib9sm5696989pbc.43.2013.07.16.22.55.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [AE] Inside sphere References: From: Phil Spitler Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E3F1230B-20E3-4FBB-ABD2-067ABC2001E7 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:55:21 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlrGcK0S/uzfK51bgISfyfygZR8JLq+R3Q4Yf5+97ze2HHa2fISfCURL1FKtxjrRU3J2DSu --Apple-Mail-E3F1230B-20E3-4FBB-ABD2-067ABC2001E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before but it was hard to ba= tch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if images to process. Which too= ls do you use to create the cubic map and is it easily batch able? I'll try making the radius large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that previou= sly it still had distortion.=20 Cheers.=20 Phil Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 415.394.8200= | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: > Hey Phil, send me your full size environment map, the top one in your exam= ple. I will convert it to 6 square faces for the cube method i mentioned, it= won't have that cc sphere problem, and will be camera xyz-position friendly= . In the meantime, try making your cc sphere radius super mega large. and t= hat should take care of the major distortions. >=20 > -patrick > On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >=20 >> Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimentation. >>=20 >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/44kf1nbga20w1ju/Distortion.jpg >>=20 >> You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has way more distortion th= an Horizon. >>=20 >> I am not bothered about having it comp camera aware, the controls in CC S= phere are more than adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be the same a= s Horizon (CC Environment is the same as Horizon BTW). >>=20 >> Any thoughts? >>=20 >> Cheers. >>=20 >> Phil >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 415.394.= 8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>=20 >> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>=20 >>> Sorry that should be SHOULD work=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Well cc sphere shouldn't work. There's some expressions I think Dan ebb= erts wrote years ago that lets it work with the ae camera somewhat >>>>=20 >>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:= >>>>=20 >>>>> We can't upgrade to CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 1= 0.8 (which is happening next week I think). >>>>>=20 >>>>> No Cineware for just yet. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I could do all the processing in C4D but thought AE would be more flex= ible, >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Phil >>>>>=20 >>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 415.3= 94.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> you can always use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a cheat.= >>>>>> oh well, cineware to the rescue! >>>>>> -patrick >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> cineware? :) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote: >>>>>>>> Ahhh. bummer.. It works great other than not being able to use z tr= anslation on the camera. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 41= 5.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> it is affected by the cameras orientation but not position >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hey Patrick, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the co= mp camera. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what version y= ou have. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : 4= 15.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> A vote here for Trapcode Horizon. >>>>>>>>>>> It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear map.= >>>>>>>>>>> Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly. >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> -patrick siemer >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE. >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> CC Sphere works great but renders the outside view and I would l= ike to be inside.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but tha= t's not installed.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't have b= ut would purchase if needed).=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas?=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t := 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs >>>>>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to = >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >=20 --Apple-Mail-E3F1230B-20E3-4FBB-ABD2-067ABC2001E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic m= ap trick before but it was hard to batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a= lot if images to process. Which tools do you use to create the cubic map an= d is it easily batch able?

I'll try making the radi= us large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that previously it still had distort= ion. 

Cheers. 

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer <siemer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Phil, send me your full size environment map, t= he top one in your example. I will convert it to 6 square faces for the cube= method i mentioned, it won't have that cc sphere problem, and will be camer= a xyz-position friendly.  In the meantime, try making your cc sphere ra= dius super mega large. and that should take care of the major distortions.
-patrick
On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler w= rote:

Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimen= tation.


You can see from this image that the CC Sphere= has way more distortion than Horizon.

I am not bot= hered about having it comp camera aware, the controls in CC Sphere are more t= han adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be the same as Horizon (CC E= nvironment is the same as Horizon BTW).

Any thought= s?

Cheers.

Phil
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On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote:

So= rry that should be SHOULD work 

On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 P= M, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

We c= an't upgrade to CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 10.8 (whic= h is happening next week I think).

No Cineware for just y= et.

I could do all the processing in C4D but though= t AE would be more flexible,


Thanks.=

Phil

signature1 Phil Spitler&nb= sp; |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote:

you can always use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a c= heat.
oh well, cineware to the rescue!
-patrick

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote:

cineware= ? :)


On T= ue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ahhh. bumm= er.. It works great other than not being able to use z translation on the ca= mera.

Cheers.
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Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rend= ernyc wrote:

it is affec= ted by the cameras orientation but not position


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Spi= tler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Hey Patric= k, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the comp camera.

I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what version y= ou have.

Cheers.

Phil


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On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer w= rote:

A vote here for Trapcode Horiz= on.
It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear map.
Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly.

-patrick siemer=

On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE.

CC Sphe= re works great but renders the outside view and I would like to be inside. <= br>

I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but that's not insta= lled.

Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't ha= ve but would purchase if needed).

I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion.

Any id= eas?

Cheers.

Phil

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