Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com ([209.85.160.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5145612 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:37:33 +0200 Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id jt11so2251187pbb.8 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=pfmWVKVEFcbb4moIlH2Y9try0VDavvzzWsob6T7rkMY=; b=G/7eM2N1bqQ3X8EUFR7nphT9O6f9oSLPGVzQyaoFa+ZlFQt4fNQ6OENsH6CkJ8jbbA a7A5BHiPq0pPDe8WQDGYNRHHf3ewe3QOOLxrl+jUFv+qtTj/u+DUG9rpd5k73UvmN87h YqDa3YOB2a9YMDTkxWVHZ/sXzkFysopzFTO4p8NdKEaK9yM5uwyLL5QA8ing16Ezuuic rIovi+aoFrP3fnpnxXjUuRKRf2wht4vzYU9trubAcSo/yMlD7CCBBnYRqVn+P3nCnLnX 9A7Wxig+ScfU21lG9Iyq6CVZVhcyGFuMOsCqlEOOeRCOVkhprdvFZcE4I0qaOYS0qQUV Dzpg== X-Received: by 10.66.190.3 with SMTP id gm3mr9681669pac.72.1374090513774; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.0.227] ([65.223.58.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id re16sm12133847pac.16.2013.07.17.12.48.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Spitler Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_264D53D6-E332-4BA1-89C8-03E9071570A8" Subject: Re: [AE] Inside sphere Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:48:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <2F3AFA0B-97BC-436B-9F46-BA24BFD89D7C@bonfirelabs.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkq0rtlYAF9GnusRoEZdXS38bxHUqv5GVtJ1NIA+bbOHEQLWaUpHLIVwERSD8f/q3vYbSw --Apple-Mail=_264D53D6-E332-4BA1-89C8-03E9071570A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so it seems like Horizon and CC Environment use equirectangular = mapping to undistorted the image. CC Sphere uses a different method. Cycore has a set of tools called Sphere Tools but that didn't work = either. The cubic map idea partially work but not ideal. Any other thoughts on equirectangular mapping? Thanks. Phil Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 Website | Facebook | LinkedIn On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before but it was hard = to batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if images to process. = Which tools do you use to create the cubic map and is it easily batch = able? >=20 > I'll try making the radius large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that = previously it still had distortion.=20 >=20 > Cheers.=20 >=20 > Phil >=20 >=20 >=20 > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com >=20 > "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs >=20 > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: >=20 >> Hey Phil, send me your full size environment map, the top one in your = example. I will convert it to 6 square faces for the cube method i = mentioned, it won't have that cc sphere problem, and will be camera = xyz-position friendly. In the meantime, try making your cc sphere = radius super mega large. and that should take care of the major = distortions. >>=20 >> -patrick >> On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >>=20 >>> Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimentation. >>>=20 >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/44kf1nbga20w1ju/Distortion.jpg >>>=20 >>> You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has way more = distortion than Horizon. >>>=20 >>> I am not bothered about having it comp camera aware, the controls in = CC Sphere are more than adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be = the same as Horizon (CC Environment is the same as Horizon BTW). >>>=20 >>> Any thoughts? >>>=20 >>> Cheers. >>>=20 >>> Phil >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>=20 >>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Sorry that should be SHOULD work=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Well cc sphere shouldn't work. There's some expressions I think = Dan ebberts wrote years ago that lets it work with the ae camera = somewhat >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> We can't upgrade to CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work = with 10.8 (which is happening next week I think). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> No Cineware for just yet. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I could do all the processing in C4D but thought AE would be more = flexible, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Phil >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> you can always use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a = cheat. >>>>>>> oh well, cineware to the rescue! >>>>>>> -patrick >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> cineware? :) >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote: >>>>>>>> Ahhh. bummer.. It works great other than not being able to use = z translation on the camera. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t = : 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rendernyc wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> it is affected by the cameras orientation but not position >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hey Patrick, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the = comp camera. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what = version you have. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t = : 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> A vote here for Trapcode Horizon. >>>>>>>>>> It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear = map. >>>>>>>>>> Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> -patrick siemer >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> CC Sphere works great but renders the outside view and I = would like to be inside.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but = that's not installed.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't = have but would purchase if needed).=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas?=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers.=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | = t : 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs >>>>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to = >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to = >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>>> danny princz >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> vimeo.com/rendernyc >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_264D53D6-E332-4BA1-89C8-03E9071570A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Ok, = so it seems like Horizon and CC Environment use equirectangular = mapping to undistorted the image.

CC Sphere uses a = different method.

Cycore has a set of tools = called Sphere Tools but that didn't work = either.

The cubic map idea partially work but = not ideal.

Any other thoughts = on equirectangular = mapping?

Thanks.

Phil




signature1 Phil = Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : 415.394.8200  m : = 415.571.3139

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before = but it was hard to batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if = images to process. Which tools do you use to create the cubic map and is = it easily batch able?

I'll try making the = radius large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that previously it still had = distortion. 

Cheers. 

Phil<= /div>



Phil Spitler | =  Creative Technologist  |  Bonfire  Labs  | =  t : 415.394.8200  |  c : 415.571.3139  |  Bonfirelabs.com

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick = Siemer <siemer@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hey Phil, send me = your full size environment map, the top one in your example. I will = convert it to 6 square faces for the cube method i mentioned, it won't = have that cc sphere problem, and will be camera xyz-position friendly. =  In the meantime, try making your cc sphere radius super mega = large. and that should take care of the major = distortions.

-patrick
On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 = PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

Ok, here is what I am finding = with my experimentation.


<= div>You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has way more = distortion than Horizon.

I am not bothered = about having it comp camera aware, the controls in CC Sphere are more = than adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be the same as Horizon = (CC Environment is the same as Horizon = BTW).

Any = thoughts?

Cheers.

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote:

Sorry that should be SHOULD = work 
Well cc sphere shouldn't work. There's some = expressions I think Dan ebberts wrote years ago that lets it work with = the ae camera somewhat

On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil = Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> = wrote:

We can't upgrade to = CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 10.8 (which is = happening next week I think).

No Cineware for just = yet.

I could do all the processing in C4D but = thought AE would be more = flexible,


Thanks.

Phil

signature1 Phil = Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : 415.394.8200  m : = 415.571.3139

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer = wrote:

you can always use Zoom, = but I guess any cheat is just that, a cheat.
oh well, cineware to = the rescue!
-patrick

On Jul 16, 2013, = at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote:

cineware? :)


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler = <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ahhh. bummer.. It works great other than = not being able to use z translation on the camera.

Cheers.

Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, = rendernyc wrote:

it = is affected by the cameras orientation but not position


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil = Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Hey Patrick, I just tried Horizon and it = isn't affected by the comp camera.

I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what = version you have.

Cheers.

Phil


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On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick = Siemer wrote:

A vote here for = Trapcode Horizon.
It just works great.! As long as you have a = equirectilinear map.
Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly.

-patrick = siemer

On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler = wrote:

I have an image I want to map = onto a sphere in AE.

CC = Sphere works great but renders the outside view and I would like to be = inside.

I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but that's not = installed.

Also I think = Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't have but would purchase if = needed).

I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion. =

Any ideas?

Cheers.

Phil



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