Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com ([209.85.223.174] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5146410 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:24:56 +0200 Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 9so6927462iec.19 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:35:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=znb63y0Kh5zePiYMM2b0HrdsAJoO1/ieAQU0ScDHOXw=; b=KDz/B8d6ttwJMC/EEWxUKGzwa0dh9hS1NrNEt9nyOntVi2XmiULHekySq1Ee3UJuVk 3Ip1+Iawo1ORawbClg06fvp3ESIgc15GVoEC/7RiBAk8F7FW4MpP0BO+Mz1StpHkphfd 7PLlBuNafOrPMBQc/J4t/shjDR+6Ker8mp9HU9b9HsJg5zZL1NULZ6scl3EpT8tm2zeH qXQNRjKC/ksy2wCWaI4V9AW65W4wlZKn4QcfvxUBtCzW1AqS59ZtHWiq5SkNAoC0VvM4 kg01obJttBkjvDbXiaLWeP404U1VCtm/wsalTtbJLNhWUEMXdwo6sMrr2B8UKkhAJBjF SWSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.20.136 with SMTP id n8mr3187997ige.3.1374154557267; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.29.2 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:35:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Inside sphere From: Drew Gilmore To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd76ee240a54f04e1c94a09 --047d7bd76ee240a54f04e1c94a09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There's a tool called Pano2VR (gardengnomesoftware.com/pano2vr.php) that will generate cubic files from equirectangular. There's a batch feature, but it's not the most intuitive thing - there are instructions on the site. Drew -- Just a guy made of dots and lines. www.newtonscannon.com On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > Ok, so it seems like Horizon and CC Environment use equirectangular > mapping to undistorted the image. > > CC Sphere uses a different method. > > Cycore has a set of tools called Sphere Tools but that didn't work either. > > The cubic map idea partially work but not ideal. > > Any other thoughts on equirectangular mapping? > > Thanks. > > Phil > > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook| > LinkedIn > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before but it was hard to > batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if images to process. Which > tools do you use to create the cubic map and is it easily batch able? > > I'll try making the radius large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that > previously it still had distortion. > > Cheers. > > Phil > > > > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : > 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com > > "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: > > Hey Phil, send me your full size environment map, the top one in your > example. I will convert it to 6 square faces for the cube method i > mentioned, it won't have that cc sphere problem, and will be camera > xyz-position friendly. In the meantime, try making your cc sphere radius > super mega large. and that should take care of the major distortions. > > -patrick > On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimentation. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/44kf1nbga20w1ju/Distortion.jpg > > You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has way more distortion > than Horizon. > > I am not bothered about having it comp camera aware, the controls in CC > Sphere are more than adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be the > same as Horizon (CC Environment is the same as Horizon BTW). > > Any thoughts? > > Cheers. > > Phil > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook > | LinkedIn > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote: > > Sorry that should be SHOULD work > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Rendernyc wrote: > > Well cc sphere shouldn't work. There's some expressions I think Dan > ebberts wrote years ago that lets it work with the ae camera somewhat > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > We can't upgrade to CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 10.8 > (which is happening next week I think). > > No Cineware for just yet. > > I could do all the processing in C4D but thought AE would be more flexible, > > > Thanks. > > Phil > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook| > LinkedIn > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote: > > you can always use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a cheat. > oh well, cineware to the rescue! > -patrick > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote: > > cineware? :) > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > >> Ahhh. bummer.. It works great other than not being able to use z >> translation on the camera. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Phil >> >> *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : >> 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >> >> Website | Facebook| >> LinkedIn >> >> On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rendernyc wrote: >> >> it is affected by the cameras orientation but not position >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >> >>> Hey Patrick, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the comp >>> camera. >>> >>> I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what version you >>> have. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : >>> 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>> >>> Website | Facebook| >>> LinkedIn >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer wrote: >>> >>> A vote here for Trapcode Horizon. >>> It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear map. >>> Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly. >>> >>> -patrick siemer >>> >>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: >>> >>> I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE. >>> >>> >>> CC Sphere works great but renders the outside view and I would like to >>> be inside. >>> >>> >>> I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but that's not >>> installed. >>> >>> >>> Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't have but would >>> purchase if needed). >>> >>> >>> I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion. >>> >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : >>> 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com >>> >>> >>> "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> danny princz >> >> vimeo.com/rendernyc >> >> >> > > > -- > danny princz > > vimeo.com/rendernyc > > > > > > > --047d7bd76ee240a54f04e1c94a09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a tool called Pano2VR (gardengnomesoftware.com/pan= o2vr.php) that will generate cubic files from equirectangular. There= 9;s a batch feature, but it's not the most intuitive thing - there are = instructions on the site.

Drew
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Just a guy made of dots and lines.

www.newtonscannon.com


On Wed, J= ul 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ok, so i= t seems like Horizon and CC Environment use=A0equirectangular mapping to un= distorted the image.

CC Sphere uses a different method.

= Cycore has a set of tools called Sphere Tools but that didn't work eith= er.

The cubic map idea partially work but not idea= l.

Any other thoughts on=A0equirectangular mapping?
<= div>
Thanks.

Phil




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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Ph= il Spitler wrote:

Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before but it was hard to = batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if images to process. Wh= ich tools do you use to create the cubic map and is it easily batch able?

I'll try making the radius large inn CC Sphere but = when I tried that previously it still had distortion.=A0

Cheers.=A0

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer <siemer@gmail.com> w= rote:

Hey Phil, send me your full size e= nvironment map, the top one in your example. I will convert it to 6 square = faces for the cube method i mentioned, it won't have that cc sphere pro= blem, and will be camera xyz-position friendly. =A0In the meantime, try mak= ing your cc sphere radius super mega large. and that should take care of th= e major distortions.

-patrick
On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler wr= ote:

Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimentation.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/44kf1nbga20w1ju/Distortion.jpg

You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has w= ay more distortion than Horizon.

I am not bothered about having it comp camera aware, th= e controls in CC Sphere are more than adequate, I just need the wrapping st= yle to be the same as Horizon (CC Environment is the same as Horizon BTW).<= /div>

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote:

Sorry that should be SHOULD work= =A0

On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Well cc sphere shouldn't = work. There's some expressions I think Dan ebberts wrote years ago that= lets it work with the ae camera somewhat

On Jul 16, 2013, at= 6:04 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:

We can't upgrade to CC yet as = we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 10.8 (which is happening next week = I think).

No Cineware for just yet.

I could do all the processing in C4D but thought AE would be more flex= ible,


Thanks.

<= div>Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">
you can always= use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a cheat.
oh well, cinewa= re to the rescue!
-patrick

On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, renderny= c wrote:

cineware? :)


On Tue, J= ul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ahhh. bu= mmer.. It works great other than not being able to use z translation on the= camera.

Cheers.

Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rendernyc wrote:=

it is affected by the = cameras orientation but not position


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Sp= itler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Hey Patr= ick, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the comp camera.
I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what ver= sion you have.

Cheers.

Phil


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On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer = wrote:

A vote here for Trapcode Hor= izon.
It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear map. Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly.

-patrick sieme= r

On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE.

CC Sph= ere works great but renders the outside view and I would like to be inside.=

I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but that's not = installed.

Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I d= on't have but would purchase if needed).

I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion.

Any ideas?

Cheers.

=
Phil


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