Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv — Message #50081
From: john@earlybirdproductions.co.uk <john@earlybirdproductions.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [AE] Inside sphere
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:07:31 +0100
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From: "Drew Gilmore" <dotsandlines@gmail.com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: [AE] Inside sphere
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 14:35


There's a tool called Pano2VR (gardengnomesoftware.com/pano2vr.php) that will generate cubic files from equirectangular. There's a batch feature, but it's not the most intuitive thing - there are instructions on the site.

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ok, so it seems like Horizon and CC Environment use equirectangular mapping to undistorted the image.

CC Sphere uses a different method.

Cycore has a set of tools called Sphere Tools but that didn't work either.

The cubic map idea partially work but not ideal.

Any other thoughts on equirectangular mapping?

Thanks.

Phil




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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

Thanks Patrick, I have done the cubic map trick before but it was hard to batch multiple images and I'm gonna have a lot if images to process. Which tools do you use to create the cubic map and is it easily batch able?

I'll try making the radius large inn CC Sphere but when I tried that previously it still had distortion. 

Cheers. 

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:00 PM, patrick Siemer <siemer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Phil, send me your full size environment map, the top one in your example. I will convert it to 6 square faces for the cube method i mentioned, it won't have that cc sphere problem, and will be camera xyz-position friendly.  In the meantime, try making your cc sphere radius super mega large. and that should take care of the major distortions.

-patrick
On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

Ok, here is what I am finding with my experimentation.


You can see from this image that the CC Sphere has way more distortion than Horizon.

I am not bothered about having it comp camera aware, the controls in CC Sphere are more than adequate, I just need the wrapping style to be the same as Horizon (CC Environment is the same as Horizon BTW).

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

Phil



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On Jul 16, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Rendernyc wrote:

Sorry that should be SHOULD work 

On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:

Well cc sphere shouldn't work. There's some expressions I think Dan ebberts wrote years ago that lets it work with the ae camera somewhat

On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:

We can't upgrade to CC yet as we need to upgrade our SAN to work with 10.8 (which is happening next week I think).

No Cineware for just yet.

I could do all the processing in C4D but thought AE would be more flexible,


Thanks.

Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:55 PM, patrick Siemer wrote:

you can always use Zoom, but I guess any cheat is just that, a cheat.
oh well, cineware to the rescue!
-patrick

On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:18 PM, rendernyc wrote:

cineware? :)


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Ahhh. bummer.. It works great other than not being able to use z translation on the camera.

Cheers.

Phil

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:26 PM, rendernyc wrote:

it is affected by the cameras orientation but not position


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Hey Patrick, I just tried Horizon and it isn't affected by the comp camera.

I'm using v1.1, can you verify it works for you and what version you have.

Cheers.

Phil


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On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:07 AM, patrick Siemer wrote:

A vote here for Trapcode Horizon.
It just works great.! As long as you have a equirectilinear map.
Unliike cc sphere, it works with AE camera Perfectly.

-patrick siemer

On Jul 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote:

I have an image I want to map onto a sphere in AE.

CC Sphere works great but renders the outside view and I would like to be inside.

I seem to recall CC Environment doing something similar but that's not installed.

Also I think Horizon by Trapcode maybe too (which I don't have but would purchase if needed).

I don't want any extra shading, just pure distortion.

Any ideas?

Cheers.

Phil



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