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From: "Stephen van Vuuren" <stephen@sv2studios.com>
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Subject: RE: [AE] lossless codec in a container roundup
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:52:30 -0400
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This is a fantastic idea Brendan. Something like this is so badly needed.

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Subject: Re: [AE] lossless codec in a container roundup

Oh Brendan, I'm so happy you're on this that I'm going to skip all the way
home.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brendan Bolles <brendan@fnordware.com>
wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
>
>> It's not a Mac vs. PC. It's the utter lack of cross-platform professional
codec that all companies share responsibility for.
>
>
> OK, I'm trying to keep my mouth shut about an unfinished, un-annouced
thing, but I can't do it.
>
> I've recently made open source plug-ins for the WebM and Ogg Theora
formats.  You can read about and download them here:
>
> http://forums.adobe.com/message/5465653
> http://forums.adobe.com/message/5475472
>
>
> These are basically open source movie formats to compete with H.264 in the
HTML5 standard.
>
> But upon looking into Ogg, I saw that it supports a series of other
codecs:
>
> http://www.xiph.org/
>
>
> One very interesting codec is Dirac, which was made by the BBC.  It
supports lossy and lossless compression, 16-bit even.  It uses wavelets like
JPEG 2000, so it also appears to do the auto-proxy thing you can do with
JPEG 2000.
>
> I plan to add some other codecs as well, such as PNG and OpenEXR, so
you'll be able to render linear float to a movie format.
>
> But the key is that this is an open movie format and I'm releasing the
plug-ins as open source.  You can already see the code for the WebM and
Theora plug-ins on GitHub.  So you will not have the Microcosm problem, or
even the problem with QuickTime being a closed format.  It will be
completely open for people to port to any platform.
>
>
> Now, I still have a lot of work to do on this project!  But for now you
can try out the Theora and WebM plug-ins and give me feedback (you'll have
to render your AE project through Media Encoder).
>
> BTW, WebM's new codec, VP9, should be adding some features that may be
useful to us, like alpha channel support and maybe even lossless/10-bit.
>
> It has always bothered me that people were storing their pixels in
proprietary formats.  I've made plug-ins for a variety of still image
formats, and now I'm going after movies.  Stay tuned.
>
>
> Brendan
>
>
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