Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com ([209.85.217.174] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5152919 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:09:51 +0200 Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x10so6302016lbi.19 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:21:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=xkioZKGK53psu2gnZeBOdhAsSU9NUBAAvZ7m0lPI2tU=; b=hfyCIoRQ7Ve2s9pof0YpWYHBn4ShX/o84oZ50dtZQAV3kc1nbOmZvUryUJyG7Hv8W+ iMJLTIur8d5cwxHPx5LGv3PMpE3HeHMv+H2LhYJd38D/35TLMFzS8w1K65AAGNcGDj85 67BFtrK8+rugHvPq3ZvD+Z3d7IqZ+XdiRSLoRBdCyGiYbEsJiFFLqI0tIA31WERVJCil 9UfRE93esbt6BBlTy7Z0xi4VnlpqvllavcELWzelCgI+Qv8I5a8TPCYNOIEYv+MtS0BH uBaGuIt9zmI4tkf82ZrlFjRX650iauJzYqJQ3Vz7ljUU8gq6XDpaCIugm6R88v94ZOTD PuMg== X-Received: by 10.112.5.199 with SMTP id u7mr14503779lbu.67.1374585664853; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:21:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.133.206 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:20:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Byron Nash Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] lossless codec in a container roundup To: After Effects Mail List , Stephen van Vuuren Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae94ed6fd445b2d04e22daa81 --14dae94ed6fd445b2d04e22daa81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great line of thought Brendan and Stephen. Open, Professional, and extensible should be the aims. I'll certainly do everything in my power to help push it into adoption. Will you have to work with the major vendors to get compatibility out of the gate or is what you are proposing already compatible? On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > I think MXF is a the best choice since it's the wrapper used for J2K which > is the standard in cinema and library of congress is onboard: > http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000013.shtml > > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > > A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be > a > progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, > the > meaning, all that comes later. > -Stanley Kubrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf > Of > Brendan Bolles > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:33 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] lossless codec in a container roundup > > On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: > > > I think my only gripe about openEXR is that its an img sequence in a > folder rather than a single file. I think too easy to loose bits. MXF > single > file is more appealing to me, especially since NLE's seem to be able to > handle all the various flavors that are out there. > > > Well, obviously the whole point of this is that it will be a movie format, > but otherwise done in an OpenEXR style in the sense that it will be open > and > the codecs will all be open as well. > > I think I can tell you right now that I refuse to use QuickTime, possibly > for purely emotional reasons. It represents proprietary format + codecs, > single-platform, and cozying up to patent farms like MPEG LA. This new > project will only use patent-free codecs. > > After doing some more research I think maybe using MXF as the container is > the way to go. Ogg and Matroska (and QuickTime) seem more designed for > playback while MXF was designed for production. The only downside in my > mind is that it's a SMPTE standard as opposed to Matroska which is an open > standard. Maybe some people would actually prefer that. > > But as I said, I would re-brand it, making a new name and a new extension > for what is an MXF container limited to a list of free codecs. Anyone got > ideas for a name? How about: > > Professional Open Movie Format (.pom) > OpenMOV (.omv) > OpenMovie (.omv) > > Others? > > > Brendan > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --14dae94ed6fd445b2d04e22daa81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great line of thought Brendan and Stephen. Open, Professio= nal, and extensible should be the aims. I'll certainly do everything in= my power to help push it into adoption. Will you have to work with the maj= or vendors to get compatibility out of the gate or is what you are proposin= g already compatible?


On Mon, Jul 2= 2, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com>= ; wrote:
I think MXF is a the best choice =A0since it= 's the wrapper used for J2K which
is the standard in cinema and library of congress is onboard:
http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000013.= shtml

stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777

http://www.ins= aturnsrings.com/
http://www.sv2dcp.com/=
http://www.sv2stud= ios.com/

A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be = a
progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion= , the
meaning, all that comes later.
-Stanley Kubrick

-----Original Message-----
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of
Brendan Bolles
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:33 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] lossless codec in a container roundup

On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:10 PM, = Steve Oakley wrote:

> I think my only gripe about openEXR is that its an img sequence in a folder rather than a single file. I think too easy to loose bits. MXF singl= e
file is more appealing to me, especially since NLE's seem to be able to=
handle all the various flavors that are out there.


Well, obviously the whole point of this is that it will be a movie format,<= br> but otherwise done in an OpenEXR style in the sense that it will be open an= d
the codecs will all be open as well.

I think I can tell you right now that I refuse to use QuickTime, possibly for purely emotional reasons. =A0It represents proprietary format + codecs,=
single-platform, and cozying up to patent farms like MPEG LA. =A0This new project will only use patent-free codecs.

After doing some more research I think maybe using MXF as the container is<= br> the way to go. =A0Ogg and Matroska (and QuickTime) seem more designed for playback while MXF was designed for production. =A0The only downside in my<= br> mind is that it's a SMPTE standard as opposed to Matroska which is an o= pen
standard. =A0Maybe some people would actually prefer that.

But as I said, I would re-brand it, making a new name and a new extension for what is an MXF container limited to a list of free codecs. =A0Anyone go= t
ideas for a name? =A0How about:

Professional Open Movie Format (.pom)
OpenMOV (.omv)
OpenMovie (.omv)

Others?


Brendan


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