Return-Path: Received: from gateway06.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.10.12] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5155442 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:04:11 +0200 Received: by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 42F0DEBAB0F22; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3190.hostgator.com (gator3190.hostgator.com [198.57.247.154]) by gateway06.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEBDEBAB0E8D for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [24.163.5.74] (port=50616 helo=Neptune) by gator3190.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V2P8S-0003cd-1V; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:15:28 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'Steve Oakley'" , "'After Effects Mail List'" References: <9828678C-CEB5-42CF-8007-1AF2B4B613C1@practicali.com> In-Reply-To: <9828678C-CEB5-42CF-8007-1AF2B4B613C1@practicali.com> Subject: RE: [AE] OT: Kona 3 RGB Colorspace Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:15:22 -0400 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <056601ce895a$8cabbbd0$a6033370$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0567_01CE8939.05A0F9A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQE/uGRcdItHby1fELXhfrEjrXDGlgI2mhvymoGO/hA= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3190.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (Neptune) [24.163.5.74]:50616 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IzMTkwLmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0567_01CE8939.05A0F9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can=E2=80=99t view the source tape =E2=80=93 3000 miles away, so I = have no idea. It=E2=80=99s a telecine capture of 35mm print on the D5 = but the post house that did says this, and I quote (so I=E2=80=99m not = going to get much help on that end): =20 =E2=80=9CMy first thought and short answer would be RGB, but I=E2=80=99m = still building up my color space knowledge. The Kona 3 card setting that brings the signal into our final cut has a = YUV 10 notation. I don=E2=80=99t know if that relates to specifying a = color space or only engineering terms for how the picture is comprised. = - or if it is a clue that will help tell what the colorspace is. A quick look up on the web didn=E2=80=99t tell me much about pro res = always being RGB or some other color space.=E2=80=9D =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: Steve Oakley [mailto:steveo@practicali.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:12 PM To: After Effects Mail List; stephen@sv2studios.com Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Kona 3 RGB Colorspace =20 yes, what does the source tape look like ? might be nothing wrong with = what you are doing and the source itself is messed up which is really = common.=20 =20 it sounds like upressed 4:3 SD in which case try NTSC / 609 16-235. = given its probably SD, and been thru an analog generation or two who = knows whats been really done to it. so you may need to apply some curves = to even it out and make it look ok.=20 =20 =20 S =20 On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: A client has sent me a file and they are not colorspace savvy. = It=E2=80=99s a ProRes 422 HQ file that was captured off D5 tape into = Final Cut as =E2=80=9CYUV-10=E2=80=9D via Kona 3 card SDI. ProRes is not tagged and having difficult figuring out best colorspace = for it. Rec709 and sRGB looked a little washed out. Rec709 (16-235) = looks better in midtones but gamma a bit dark. P3 looks richer but a = little darker still. =20 File is pillarboxed and pillarboxes are RGB 0,0,0. =20 Can=E2=80=99t find much help via google =E2=80=93 any ideas? =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE- = List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Peter Mock Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Does trapcode creative Suite work on Adobe After = Effects CC ? =20 Thank you all that was a great help Peter =20 On 24 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Todd Kopriva < = toddkopriva@gmail.com> wrote: = = https://support.redgiant.com/entries/21756405-Adobe-After-Effects-CC-supp= ort-for-Particular On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Peter Mock wrote: Does trapcode creative Suite work on Adobe After Effects CC ? Thank you Peter --=20 -------------------------------- Todd Kopriva 1510 E Alder St Seattle, WA 98122 (206)437-2296 -------------------------------- "Mobility is more important than motion." - Gy=C3=B6rgy Seb=C5=91k =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0567_01CE8939.05A0F9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can=E2=80=99t view the source tape =E2=80=93 3000 miles away, so I = have no idea. It=E2=80=99s a telecine capture of 35mm print on the D5 = but the post house that did says this, and I quote (so I=E2=80=99m not = going to get much help on that end):

 

=E2=80=9CMy first = thought and short answer would be RGB, but I=E2=80=99m still building up = my color space knowledge.

The Kona 3 card setting that brings the = signal into our final cut has a YUV 10 notation. I don=E2=80=99t know if = that relates to specifying a color space or only engineering terms for = how the picture is comprised. - or if it is a clue that will help tell = what the colorspace is.

A quick look up on the web didn=E2=80=99t = tell me much about pro res always being RGB or some other color = space.=E2=80=9D

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=

http://www.sv2dcp.com/<= /b>

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = Steve Oakley [mailto:steveo@practicali.com]
Sent: Thursday, = July 25, 2013 1:12 PM
To: After Effects Mail List; = stephen@sv2studios.com
Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Kona 3 RGB = Colorspace

 

yes, what = does the source tape look like ? might be nothing wrong with what you = are doing and the source itself is messed up which is really = common. 

 

it sounds like upressed 4:3 SD in which case try NTSC = / 609 16-235. given its probably SD, and been thru an  analog = generation or two who knows whats been really done to it. so you may = need to apply some curves to even it out and make it look = ok. 

 

 

S

 

On Jul 25, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = <stephen@sv2studios.com> = wrote:



A client has sent me a file and they are not colorspace savvy. = It=E2=80=99s a ProRes 422 HQ file that was captured off D5 tape into = Final Cut as =E2=80=9CYUV-10=E2=80=9D via Kona 3 card = SDI.


ProRes is not tagged and having difficult figuring out best = colorspace for it. Rec709 and sRGB looked a little washed out. Rec709 = (16-235) looks better in midtones but gamma a bit dark. P3 looks richer = but a little darker still.

 

File is pillarboxed and pillarboxes are RGB = 0,0,0.

 

Can=E2=80=99t find much help via google =E2=80=93 any = ideas?

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=E2=80=93Stanley = Kubrick

 

From:=  After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Peter = Mock
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:33 = AM
To: After = Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Does trapcode = creative Suite work on Adobe After Effects CC = ?

 

Thank you all that was a great = help

Peter

 

On 24 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Todd Kopriva <toddkopriva@gmail.com> = wrote:




Does trapcode creative Suite work on Adobe After = Effects CC ?
Thank you
Peter



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