Return-Path: Received: from nm7-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([216.109.114.167] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5156429 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:46:34 +0200 Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2013 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.136] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2013 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2013 14:57:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 176993.74383.bm@omp1012.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22840 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2013 14:57:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1374850672; bh=GsYKVaAl/WQ0AaqSgrmPFG06FxMcDMvhuVC9w4fs2H8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vQxW7dW6xVz9W7pBqVPhYAzFAXLWvVk/13B9dyC4cp2jOGAD0J0t9zWE0ZvvM965fUEWiajzpw7Qw2Z9BoDgu2W4GaPY02PbnpyvT3A36fJZaRd8HoTTV02N3i48QZX3uSkwofgrrYTbPA+rUcUJ/a1LspiJcYuHfsAqfle55zY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OFWSeVexc2Mrp8nCMq/4EME3Lq/ibiOBVd+/CugNjZDnaztmTmTyA7BgZc0CwkCGV0oTiUXDZSy6HJ5wwN+WR8tJkvrJcQgI6HbOGQLj0jzCaD5sXlJblMb5TVijqfQHXkBMste4K0yNtay1mdaaer8uCV0EfYiHqiL7GFHVKKc=; X-YMail-OSG: Z_aFIcAVM1kGyozCJH5Dl68_VeG.tXsQxyYraFQ2iTSMPQ. 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Isn't that what Watchout does? Maps out a single element across mult= iple outputs?=0A=0A=0A=A0=0ACurtis Nichols=0ASenior Editor=0APCS Production= Co.=0AIrving, Tx.=0A------------------=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: Chris Zwar =0ATo: After Effects Mail Li= st =0ASent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:33 PM=0ASub= ject: Re: [AE] [OT] Batch compression options=0A =0A=0AThanks everyone for = your suggestions.=A0 For the record here's a bit more info-=0A=0A-The many = compressions are projector splits for a watchout job.=A0 I've just checked = and we have about 70 individual animations that will be split between eithe= r 7 or 11 projectors each.=A0 So a revised and more accurate total is that = we'll be compressing between 500 and 750 clips.=0A=0A-Delivering MP4s is no= t an option.=A0 This is an important, one-off launch event with an internat= ional cast.=A0 People fly in from all over the world, do their thing once a= nd that's it.=A0 The watchout crew won't risk any hiccups or tech problems.= =A0 They've given us very precise compression specs and that's what we'll s= tick to.=A0 Even though watchout can probably handle all sorts of stuff, fo= r this event that's been worked on for months we just do what we're told - = no-one will risk making a global CEO looking like a muppet in front of a bl= ank or frozen screen.=0A=0A-I've had a quick look at FFMPEG but I can't see= if it can encode to WMV-9's pro codec (ie. VC1), which is what we compress= to.=A0 I'm happy to experiment with FFMPEG but a quick google search seems= to indicate that it can only decode VC1, not encode to it.=A0 Is this old = news?=A0 Is it something we can work around with flip4mac, or do we have to= use specific encoder libraries for ffmpeg?=0A=0A-Now that I've had a chanc= e to work on the project for a bit I can see that although there are loads = of compressions, it's not as painful as I first thought.=A0 Actually it's d= oing the projector splits which is more tedious.=A0 AE makes this quite pai= nless with the ability to name outputs based on project name and comp name,= so now I have set up an output template it's all pretty smooth.=0A=0ASo al= though there are still lots of clips to compress, it's actually not as pain= ful as I thought and it's actually render output options in AE which are do= ing a lot of the work.=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0A=0A-Chris=0A-----Original Message-= ----=0AFrom: Steve Oakley [mailto:steveo@practicali.com]=0ASent: Monday, Ju= ly 22, 2013 01:56 PM=0ATo: 'After Effects Mail List'=0ASubject: Re: [AE] [O= T] Batch compression options=0A=0Adeliver MP4's which AME can do. MP4's wil= l work native on windoze back to XP. AME can use a watch folder which would= make this simple. otherwise adobe apps don't see F4M as a codec. don't say= how many times its been FR'd.=0A=0Athe alternative may in fact be to buy a= n older PC and set that up=0A=0AS=0A=0AOn Jul 21, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Chris = Zwar" wrote:=0A=0A> Hi,=0A>=0A> This is a bit OT, but= compression isn't normally my thing.=0A>=0A> I'm working on a project wher= e we will be supplying roughly 1000 individual clips as wmvs.=A0 We're all = working on Macs with no Windows machines around, and rendering from After E= ffects to image sequences.=0A>=0A> Just wondering what the best tool is to = convert / compress the image sequences to wmvs.=A0 The main thing we want i= s one where we can save the render queue and selectively re-queue items as = they are revised.=A0 I guess in my mind I think of the After Effects render= queue, where you can tick and un-tick items, or re-queue items to render a= gain and so on.=A0 The thing is that these clips will be tweaked, rendered,= revised, re-rendered and so on.=A0 So it's not just a matter of doing a ba= tch conversion once, it's a matter of selectively revising and re-deliverin= g over a period of weeks.=A0 We will always be rendering the image sequence= s to the same "final" folder, so the source files won't be moving.=0A>=0A> = We will purchase flip-4-mac licences to render to wmvs, but not really sure= about what the options are to work from image sequences and being able to = save a batch compression queue.=A0 We have compressor somewhere, and can ea= sily download MPEG streamclip.=A0 I haven't really played around with the A= dobe Media Encoder to know what it's capable of.=A0 Not sure if I can convi= nce them to spring for something like Squeeze, but if it's really awesome t= hen maybe I can.=0A>=0A> It will be tedious to set up 1000 compressions so = I really only want to do it once... any suggestions are welcome.=0A>=0A> Ch= eers,=0A>=0A>=0A> -Chris=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> +---End of message---+=0A> To = unsubscribe send any message to =0A=0A=0A+---E= nd of message---+=0ATo unsubscribe send any message to =0A=0A=0A=0A+---End of message---+=0ATo unsubscribe send any messa= ge to ---1168743889-776345595-1374850671=:16901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's strange to me th= at you're having to split the animations for the projectors. Isn't that wha= t Watchout does? Maps out a single element across multiple outputs?

 
Curtis Nichols
Senior Edit= or
PCS Production Co.
Irving, Tx.
------------------
From:= Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.= tv>
Sent: Thursday= , July 25, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject:= Re: [AE] [OT] Batch compression options

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.  For the rec= ord here's a bit more info-

-The many compressions are projector spl= its for a watchout job.  I've just checked and we have about 70 indivi= dual animations that will be split between either 7 or 11 projectors each.&= nbsp; So a revised and more accurate total is that we'll be compressing bet= ween 500 and 750 clips.

-Delivering MP4s is not an option.  Thi= s is an important, one-off launch event with an international cast.  P= eople fly in from all over the world, do their thing once and that's it.&nb= sp; The watchout crew won't risk any hiccups or tech problems.  They'v= e given us very precise compression specs and that's what we'll stick to.&n= bsp; Even though watchout can probably handle all sorts of stuff, for this event that's been worked on for months we just do what we're told - n= o-one will risk making a global CEO looking like a muppet in front of a bla= nk or frozen screen.

-I've had a quick look at FFMPEG but I can't se= e if it can encode to WMV-9's pro codec (ie. VC1), which is what we compres= s to.  I'm happy to experiment with FFMPEG but a quick google search s= eems to indicate that it can only decode VC1, not encode to it.  Is th= is old news?  Is it something we can work around with flip4mac, or do = we have to use specific encoder libraries for ffmpeg?

-Now that I've= had a chance to work on the project for a bit I can see that although ther= e are loads of compressions, it's not as painful as I first thought.  = Actually it's doing the projector splits which is more tedious.  AE ma= kes this quite painless with the ability to name outputs based on project n= ame and comp name, so now I have set up an output template it's all pretty smooth.

So although there are still lots of clips to compres= s, it's actually not as painful as I thought and it's actually render outpu= t options in AE which are doing a lot of the work.

Cheers,

-Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Oakley [mailto:steveo@practicali.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 01:56 PM
To: = 'After Effects Mail List'
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Batch compression optio= ns

deliver MP4's which AME can do. MP4's will work native on windoze= back to XP. AME can use a watch folder which would make this simple. other= wise adobe apps don't see F4M as a codec. don't say how many times its been= FR'd.

the alternative may in fact be to buy an older PC and set tha= t up

S

On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Chris Zwar" <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:
=
> Hi,
>
> This is a bit OT, but compression isn't normal= ly my thing.
>
> I'm working on a project where we will be supp= lying roughly 1000 individual clips as wmvs.  We're all working on Mac= s with no Windows machines around, and rendering from After Effects to imag= e sequences.
>
> Just wondering what the best tool is to conver= t / compress the image sequences to wmvs.  The main thing we want is o= ne where we can save the render queue and selectively re-queue items as the= y are revised.  I guess in my mind I think of the After Effects render= queue, where you can tick and un-tick items, or re-queue items to render a= gain and so on.  The thing is that these clips will be tweaked, render= ed, revised, re-rendered and so on.  So it's not just a matter of doin= g a batch conversion once, it's a matter of selectively revising and re-delivering over a period of weeks.  We will always be rendering th= e image sequences to the same "final" folder, so the source files won't be = moving.
>
> We will purchase flip-4-mac licences to render to w= mvs, but not really sure about what the options are to work from image sequ= ences and being able to save a batch compression queue.  We have compr= essor somewhere, and can easily download MPEG streamclip.  I haven't r= eally played around with the Adobe Media Encoder to know what it's capable = of.  Not sure if I can convince them to spring for something like Sque= eze, but if it's really awesome then maybe I can.
>
> It will b= e tedious to set up 1000 compressions so I really only want to do it once..= . any suggestions are welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
&= gt; -Chris
>
>
>
>
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