Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5179622 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:54:14 +0200 Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id cr7so1561323qab.1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:06:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=X6FcKydgyE50H2dDtHcoz2c9D72ICT4BhG5pt1ljA/I=; b=n9HirggJJDktcmA1V0/nPXGu/njSAJV79G9soKZGNsPPTsiCdoxRqIo3AKjrGKzClj vlVfHVuKN0gCNgObgIz67jlU4Fm8YfOJ7z0IgMSMJGNEtWcU1zHMyOpwfQtnY1qNXdrE LJN824+kj2WDzWh7QaHnPgGsPLXqTr4dI6nbf9Im9D7iQqeMHpPlLC1YGQBOv+QJn8pQ hm2M3+4k22OTsXiCaH35urlU4xi6RqMmvk4KHdI9s2v+ofQQhnAFQ/948or4JC1OU9uV 0D/8cc7vRqz+X/xF6UnklQX5ArE3wlB6nKfz9MwTF+6tWkdPj1WPXYVMwKhot9djgXac 1b+w== X-Received: by 10.229.244.5 with SMTP id lo5mr2793531qcb.45.1376874378773; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:06:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.116.49 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:05:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premiere To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c207063f495c04e4428c1a --001a11c207063f495c04e4428c1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what codec are you working in? how big are your files (ie are they huge raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re-encoding to Avid DNxHD, you can download from Avid the LE codec pack. works with all CC/CS apps. it is the pc equivalent of prores, and should playback in realtime on your system. it works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like a drive / bit rate bottleneck, or sequence settings mismatch to me. The whole point of Premiere is you dont have to render (as much). if your timeline is red, you may have a different working codec set for the sequence than your footage, or your footage is in an inefficient format. Also you will not get realtime performance from external / internal drives unless you are using FW 800 connection or better. What does windows report when you copy a huge file from / to your media drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be slowing you down. just some ideas. if you have any technical questions about hardware I'd be happy to help. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: > Hi David, > > Thanks. Some good pointers in there. I never thought that using the sam= e > drive as your installations would have an impact. That said, I rarely do > that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the boot > drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just makes fo= r > a week long effort to rebuild. lol > > I will have to check out the speed test and verify cache location. > > My first thought however was that there was just some procedure, similar > to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere for sure. :) lol Now Vegas, whi= ch > I really have loved for years did seem to have that lag as far back is li= ke > 2005 or so when I began using it. > > Eric > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM, David Baud wrote: > >> From my point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have a >> tendancy to put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the proble= m >> might be with our own system configuration=85 >> >> When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? uncompressed? >> you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realtime and >> consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is located on = a >> different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally the >> fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. yo= u may >> want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to test >> the throughput you get with your hard drives=85 >> >> HTH, >> >> David Baud >> K O S M O S P R O D U C T i O N S >> david@kosmos-productions.com >> www.kosmos-productions.com >> >> On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk >> wrote: >> >> I'm using an avi file, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination of >> internal SATA drives and externals, however this project is on an intern= al. >> I have a radeon 6900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. System has an I7, 36GB = RAM. >> >> >> > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com* > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* > * * > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --001a11c207063f495c04e4428c1a Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what codec are you working in? how big are your files (ie = are they huge raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re-encoding to Avid DNxHD, you ca= n download from Avid the LE codec pack. works with all CC/CS apps. it is th= e pc equivalent of prores, and should playback in realtime on your system. = it works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like a drive / bit rate bottleneck,= or sequence settings mismatch to me. The whole point of Premiere is you do= nt have to render (as much). if your timeline is red, you may have a differ= ent working codec set for the sequence than your footage, or your footage i= s in an inefficient format. Also you will not get realtime performance from= external / internal drives unless you are using FW 800 connection or bette= r. What does windows report when you copy a huge file from / to your media = drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be slowing you down. just some id= eas. if you have any technical questions about hardware I'd be happy to= help.



On = Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hi David,

Thanks. =A0Some good pointers in there. =A0I never thought that using the= same drive as your installations would have an impact. =A0That said, I rar= ely do that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the= boot drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just = makes for a week long effort to rebuild. lol

I will have to check out the speed test and verify cach= e location.

My first thought however was that ther= e was just some procedure, similar to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere= for sure. :) lol =A0Now Vegas, which I really have loved for years did see= m to have that lag as far back is like 2005 or so when I began using it.

Eric


On Sun, Aug 18,= 2013 at 8:27 PM, David Baud <david.baud@gmail.com> wrote= :
From my = point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have a tendancy to= put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the problem might be wit= h our own system configuration=85

When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? unc= ompressed? you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realt= ime and consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is locate= d on a different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally = the fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. y= ou may want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to = test the throughput you get with your hard drives=85

HTH,

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On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

I'm using an avi fi= le, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination of internal SATA drives = and externals, however this project is on an internal. =A0I have a radeon 6= 900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. =A0System has an I7, 36GB RAM.




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