Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5179642 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:48:32 +0200 Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id ta17so4390960obb.4 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6UmIkXvT1o61QApDkEHrbuDR5uMp+VVZgM/vzhUI1Hc=; b=Ug5982esFja7lq+2GfSzIPN/zuODeQo8PerlmRk1FsL6u+/uvHNRVErTlpv+OqMlaV wZVEYpf9/8R3AYgBxh4vLVjjlzMu6iIRDkEE65hgd0PmFlZPDVm7k72e07Zx7ucTDQ9O 1V+xxDiPgRpazRsJuy/ZcGTZNrx2ak8c8y5E3mgsW+/Uon+z8ab22B7OPYiTafCZArKQ X2yGQmW1WdeZDx20CS1dZS01/6Ei1JO1S6Wy+t8heEmFqLQ4/w1FEH1w2psewxpYom/6 jRFXPEmd90LbU6Jp/xoVbJpE3m+tjc+DXlhzyKUr/KdjZz+oYxXOMSG4zw7wVrEWyPpH yNkQ== X-Received: by 10.50.50.104 with SMTP id b8mr3512143igo.1.1376877636370; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.105 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premiere To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01183d166a475e04e4434e8c --089e01183d166a475e04e4434e8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do normally use the avi uncompressed yuv 4:2:2 CODEC for my projects and the Quicktime Uncompressed YUV 4:2:2 for others that I then convert to Pro-Res using that cinec thing or whatever it is. lol I have the DNXHD one - first time I've heard anyone refer to it is the Windows version of Pro-Res. Good to know. I had attempted using that before as a comparison to ProRes(LT) 422 but the guy didn't seem to like it. I actually found it by searching the most comparable to ProRes so I suppose I was on to something 6-8 months ago. Eric On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > what codec are you working in? how big are your files (ie are they huge > raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re-encoding to Avid DNxHD, you can download > from Avid the LE codec pack. works with all CC/CS apps. it is the pc > equivalent of prores, and should playback in realtime on your system. it > works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like a drive / bit rate bottleneck, = or > sequence settings mismatch to me. The whole point of Premiere is you dont > have to render (as much). if your timeline is red, you may have a differe= nt > working codec set for the sequence than your footage, or your footage is = in > an inefficient format. Also you will not get realtime performance from > external / internal drives unless you are using FW 800 connection or > better. What does windows report when you copy a huge file from / to your > media drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be slowing you down. just > some ideas. if you have any technical questions about hardware I'd be hap= py > to help. > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < > kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Thanks. Some good pointers in there. I never thought that using the >> same drive as your installations would have an impact. That said, I rar= ely >> do that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the >> boot drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just ma= kes >> for a week long effort to rebuild. lol >> >> I will have to check out the speed test and verify cache location. >> >> My first thought however was that there was just some procedure, similar >> to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere for sure. :) lol Now Vegas, wh= ich >> I really have loved for years did seem to have that lag as far back is l= ike >> 2005 or so when I began using it. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM, David Baud wrote= : >> >>> From my point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have a >>> tendancy to put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the probl= em >>> might be with our own system configuration=85 >>> >>> When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? uncompressed? >>> you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realtime and >>> consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is located on= a >>> different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally the >>> fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. y= ou may >>> want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to tes= t >>> the throughput you get with your hard drives=85 >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> David Baud >>> K O S M O S P R O D U C T i O N S >>> david@kosmos-productions.com >>> www.kosmos-productions.com >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm using an avi file, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination o= f >>> internal SATA drives and externals, however this project is on an inter= nal. >>> I have a radeon 6900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. System has an I7, 36GB= RAM. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >> *443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >> * * >> > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > --=20 *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* *The Night Visitor | VFX* *443.206.1347 www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com* *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* * * --089e01183d166a475e04e4434e8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do normally use the avi uncompressed yuv 4:2:2 CODEC for= my projects and the Quicktime Uncompressed YUV 4:2:2 for others that I the= n convert to Pro-Res using that cinec thing or whatever it is. lol =A0I hav= e the DNXHD one - first time I've heard anyone refer to it is the Windo= ws version of Pro-Res. =A0Good to know.=A0

I had attempted using that before as a comparison to ProRes(= LT) 422 but the guy didn't seem to like it. =A0I actually found it by s= earching the most comparable to ProRes so I suppose I was on to something 6= -8 months ago.=A0

Eric


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Teddy Gage <tedd= ygage@gmail.com> wrote:
what codec are you working = in? how big are your files (ie are they huge raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re= -encoding to Avid DNxHD, you can download from Avid the LE codec pack. work= s with all CC/CS apps. it is the pc equivalent of prores, and should playba= ck in realtime on your system. it works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like= a drive / bit rate bottleneck, or sequence settings mismatch to me. The wh= ole point of Premiere is you dont have to render (as much). if your timelin= e is red, you may have a different working codec set for the sequence than = your footage, or your footage is in an inefficient format. Also you will no= t get realtime performance from external / internal drives unless you are u= sing FW 800 connection or better. What does windows report when you copy a = huge file from / to your media drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be= slowing you down. just some ideas. if you have any technical questions abo= ut hardware I'd be happy to help.



On = Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hi David,

Thanks. =A0Some good pointers in there. =A0I never thought that using the= same drive as your installations would have an impact. =A0That said, I rar= ely do that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the= boot drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just = makes for a week long effort to rebuild. lol

I will have to check out the speed test and verify cach= e location.

My first thought however was that ther= e was just some procedure, similar to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere= for sure. :) lol =A0Now Vegas, which I really have loved for years did see= m to have that lag as far back is like 2005 or so when I began using it.

Eric


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:27= PM, David Baud <david.baud@gmail.com> wrote:
From my = point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have a tendancy to= put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the problem might be wit= h our own system configuration=85

When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? unc= ompressed? you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realt= ime and consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is locate= d on a different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally = the fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. y= ou may want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to = test the throughput you get with your hard drives=85

HTH,

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On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

I'm using an avi fi= le, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination of internal SATA drives = and externals, however this project is on an internal. =A0I have a radeon 6= 900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. =A0System has an I7, 36GB RAM.




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