Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com ([209.85.216.173] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5179657 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:45:57 +0200 Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z10so2210451qcx.32 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:58:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=nr+e0yisGh6sVORmzuEmUfVGuEj465O+AdDipe7MZP4=; b=lFOcrLUVdlvHo7zO700H3BkeXHi8HPSPAZN8CVXqyTd7Pf9PYwpS8YKDo6/jbAvn+Q stsuRgKgAUKEcLBm0RA1SdbnSypVBpk9MD/Y+Wgx10tF8zgNWPhJMCKSUNlZsQR6lmWQ 5jqpxHUc72f2qqv7fwxfCBSp1O0o58EbrIB2c8QspwcxSA0OGh5B2o29NLxSYRFTVCog owXyOK0AAyF4Zl/VlJHdwwlNMNEdMJycPwwz+aTn4x2WKPiWqSrc1AjIJkXvB4u6uoPC HPrb0mHoXRzapxRvqHOScwYpYuVwvdeyy+TceEWbSa29MINBC9xgyq2d3qIioUyiKjHg kD5Q== X-Received: by 10.224.67.134 with SMTP id r6mr12090958qai.24.1376881081465; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:58:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.116.49 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:57:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Premiere To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3d73cc2403604e4441b61 --001a11c3d73cc2403604e4441b61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you do know those codecs are like ten years old? That is definitely what's slowing you down. They require massive disk IO bandwidth and storage. Even image sequences would play back faster at equal quality and smaller size On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: > I do normally use the avi uncompressed yuv 4:2:2 CODEC for my projects an= d > the Quicktime Uncompressed YUV 4:2:2 for others that I then convert to > Pro-Res using that cinec thing or whatever it is. lol I have the DNXHD o= ne > - first time I've heard anyone refer to it is the Windows version of > Pro-Res. Good to know. > > I had attempted using that before as a comparison to ProRes(LT) 422 but > the guy didn't seem to like it. I actually found it by searching the mos= t > comparable to ProRes so I suppose I was on to something 6-8 months ago. > > Eric > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> what codec are you working in? how big are your files (ie are they huge >> raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re-encoding to Avid DNxHD, you can download >> from Avid the LE codec pack. works with all CC/CS apps. it is the pc >> equivalent of prores, and should playback in realtime on your system. it >> works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like a drive / bit rate bottleneck,= or >> sequence settings mismatch to me. The whole point of Premiere is you don= t >> have to render (as much). if your timeline is red, you may have a differ= ent >> working codec set for the sequence than your footage, or your footage is= in >> an inefficient format. Also you will not get realtime performance from >> external / internal drives unless you are using FW 800 connection or >> better. What does windows report when you copy a huge file from / to you= r >> media drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be slowing you down. jus= t >> some ideas. if you have any technical questions about hardware I'd be ha= ppy >> to help. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >> kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Thanks. Some good pointers in there. I never thought that using the >>> same drive as your installations would have an impact. That said, I ra= rely >>> do that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the >>> boot drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just m= akes >>> for a week long effort to rebuild. lol >>> >>> I will have to check out the speed test and verify cache location. >>> >>> My first thought however was that there was just some procedure, simila= r >>> to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere for sure. :) lol Now Vegas, w= hich >>> I really have loved for years did seem to have that lag as far back is = like >>> 2005 or so when I began using it. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM, David Baud wrote= : >>> >>>> From my point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have = a >>>> tendancy to put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the prob= lem >>>> might be with our own system configuration=85 >>>> >>>> When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? uncompressed? >>>> you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realtime an= d >>>> consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is located o= n a >>>> different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally th= e >>>> fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. = you may >>>> want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to te= st >>>> the throughput you get with your hard drives=85 >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> David Baud >>>> K O S M O S P R O D U C T i O N S >>>> david@kosmos-productions.com >>>> www.kosmos-productions.com >>>> >>>> On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm using an avi file, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination >>>> of internal SATA drives and externals, however this project is on an >>>> internal. I have a radeon 6900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. System has = an >>>> I7, 36GB RAM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>> *443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com* >>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>> * * >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >> > > > > -- > *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* > *The Night Visitor | VFX* > *443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com* > *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* > * * > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --001a11c3d73cc2403604e4441b61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you do know those codecs are like ten years old? That is d= efinitely what's slowing you down. They require massive disk IO bandwid= th and storage. Even image sequences would play back faster at equal qualit= y and smaller size


On Sun,= Aug 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gma= il.com> wrote:
I do normally use the avi u= ncompressed yuv 4:2:2 CODEC for my projects and the Quicktime Uncompressed = YUV 4:2:2 for others that I then convert to Pro-Res using that cinec thing = or whatever it is. lol =A0I have the DNXHD one - first time I've heard = anyone refer to it is the Windows version of Pro-Res. =A0Good to know.=A0
I had attempted using that before as a comparison to ProRes(= LT) 422 but the guy didn't seem to like it. =A0I actually found it by s= earching the most comparable to ProRes so I suppose I was on to something 6= -8 months ago.=A0

Eric


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
what codec are you working = in? how big are your files (ie are they huge raw uncompressed AVIs?) try re= -encoding to Avid DNxHD, you can download from Avid the LE codec pack. work= s with all CC/CS apps. it is the pc equivalent of prores, and should playba= ck in realtime on your system. it works in either .mov or .avi. Sounds like= a drive / bit rate bottleneck, or sequence settings mismatch to me. The wh= ole point of Premiere is you dont have to render (as much). if your timelin= e is red, you may have a different working codec set for the sequence than = your footage, or your footage is in an inefficient format. Also you will no= t get realtime performance from external / internal drives unless you are u= sing FW 800 connection or better. What does windows report when you copy a = huge file from / to your media drive? Anything under 60 MB/s is going to be= slowing you down. just some ideas. if you have any technical questions abo= ut hardware I'd be happy to help.



On = Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Hi David,

Thanks. =A0Some good pointers in there. =A0I never thought that using the= same drive as your installations would have an impact. =A0That said, I rar= ely do that and try to use all separate drives for projects that way if the= boot drive crashes, I don't lose my important files. Instead, it just = makes for a week long effort to rebuild. lol

I will have to check out the speed test and verify cach= e location.

My first thought however was that ther= e was just some procedure, similar to RAM preview so I was blaming Premiere= for sure. :) lol =A0Now Vegas, which I really have loved for years did see= m to have that lag as far back is like 2005 or so when I began using it.

Eric


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:27= PM, David Baud <david.baud@gmail.com> wrote:
From my = point of view it is not controversial :-) =85we sometime have a tendancy to= put the blame quickly on a piece of software when the problem might be wit= h our own system configuration=85

When you say AVI file, what kind of codec are you using? unc= ompressed? you may have to create a RAID array if you are looking for realt= ime and consistency=85 but first I will make sure that your media is locate= d on a different hard drive than your system/application drives=85 ideally = the fastest hard drive on your system=85 as well as your cache folder=85. y= ou may want to use Disk Speed Test from Blackmagic or any other program to = test the throughput you get with your hard drives=85

HTH,

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On Aug 18, 2013, at 18:08 , Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@= gmail.com> wrote:

I'm using an avi fi= le, 29.97fps, no RAID. My storage is a combination of internal SATA drives = and externals, however this project is on an internal. =A0I have a radeon 6= 900 (I believe) with 2GB RAM. =A0System has an I7, 36GB RAM.




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