Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob10.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5186346 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:15:57 +0200 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.209]) by atl4mhob10.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r7NISAd0014801 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:28:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 18060 invoked by uid 0); 23 Aug 2013 18:28:10 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 23 Aug 2013 18:28:10 -0000 From: Dann Stubbs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--456668970 Subject: Re: [AE] USA and the emerging 'Software Piracy Gap'!! Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:28:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <84D48B1D-A7D9-48A6-853D-3086129874A4@darkskydigital.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-5--456668970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i know plenty of people who STILL download movies illegally despite = netflix being so inexpensive and things like redbox at $1 to watch and then you have the ones that will do it because "everyone else does" = as their justification there is no solving that attitude which is the entire problem with = society - the ever growing segment of people who feel they are entitled people will steal no matter what and it really pisses me off, because i = pay for everything and it has alway puts me at a disadvantage to compete = against the criminals putting locks on everything doesn't work, it only is making life harder = for the honest people and doesn't work in the end and only serves to = punish the law abiding. i wish there was an easy answer, but the only = one i can think of is the punishments need to be so severe they won't do = it. ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Aug 23, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Greg Balint wrote: > Agreed, and i also would never advocate piracy in any form. >=20 > Problem is, in the area of piracy, if the encryption or locking = mechanism is really hard, that just clamors for more attention. If it's = a really sought after piece of software, the person byspassing the = security measures gets a ton of clout and praise. Therefore giving = people more drive to do so. >=20 > I have to say that I think Adobe's method of business with creative = cloud is the best idea so far. Make the purchase price of your product = more attainable at a longer stretch profit and more people will be = inclined to purchase. Most people would say that they pirate because the = cost of admission is too much. Look at Netflix or Spotify for example. = People would pirate movies and music all the time before these services = existed, because having a large collection costs a lot.But because they = offer a great product that is hassle free with no chains attached, more = people find it to be easier to just pony up $10/month for the streaming = service. Yes, you don't own the movie or music track, but the exchange = is that its always available to you anyway as long as you are a paid = subscriber. >=20 > I know there's probably not a study to back it up, but I would love to = see some numbers as to how many people are now paying Adobe customers = that once pirated the software. I'm willing to bet having that low = monthly price vs. The high one-time perpetual license price got a lot of = budget conscious users interested and converted to paying customers. >=20 > I wish other software companies would take a look at this model. = Especially plugin devs. >=20 > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > =20 >=20 > On Aug 23, 2013 1:52 PM, "Teddy Gage" wrote: > Jeff, just to play the devil's advocate here, and I DO NOT support = piracy in any way, shape or form, it is especially criminal at large = places that can afford it and choose to steal to help their bottom line, = but doesnt the responsibility to protect the software lie with the = developer? Hear me out. If you have a $2,000 bike wouldnt you put a lock = on it when you go inside? Sure, theres no lock in the world that is 100% = theft proof, but there are locks that are extremely difficult to break = and will reasonably protect your investment. My tech knowledge of these = things are pretty low, but if your software is so good everyone wants to = steal it, maybe look into hardware dongles, better encryption, etc? If = it is too hard to crack people will just give up and buy it? Right? = Maybe?=20 >=20 > On Friday, August 23, 2013, Jeff Krebs wrote: > hmm we see number 10 as are biggest issue. 1 or 2 major studios per = day are reported to us. > This is not an individual trying out some software - These hundreds of = licenses per studio per day. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-5--456668970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii i = know plenty of people who STILL download movies illegally despite = netflix being so inexpensive and things like redbox at $1 to = watch

and then you have the ones that will do it = because "everyone else does" as their = justification

there is no solving that attitude = which is the entire problem with society - the ever growing segment of = people who feel they are entitled

people will = steal no matter what and it really pisses me off, because i pay for = everything and it has alway puts me at a disadvantage to compete against = the criminals

putting locks on everything doesn't = work, it only is making life harder for the honest people and doesn't = work in the end and only serves to punish the law abiding. i wish there = was an easy answer, but the only one i can think of is the punishments = need to be so severe they won't do it.


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On Aug 23, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Greg Balint wrote:

Agreed, and i also would never advocate piracy in any form. =

Problem is, in the area of piracy, if the encryption = or locking mechanism is really hard, that just clamors for more = attention. If it's a really sought after piece of software, the person = byspassing the security measures gets a ton of clout and praise. = Therefore giving people more drive to do so.

I have = to say that I think Adobe's method of business with creative cloud is = the best idea so far. Make the purchase price of your product more = attainable at a longer stretch profit and more people will be inclined = to purchase. Most people would say that they pirate because the cost of = admission is too much. Look at Netflix or Spotify for example. People = would pirate movies and music all the time before these services = existed, because having a large collection costs a lot.But because they = offer a great product that is hassle free with no chains attached, more = people find it to be easier to just pony up $10/month for the streaming = service. Yes, you don't own the movie or music track, but the exchange = is that its always available to you anyway as long as you are a paid = subscriber.

I know there's probably not a study to = back it up, but I would love to see some numbers as to how many people = are now paying Adobe customers that once pirated the software. I'm = willing to bet having that low monthly price vs. The high one-time = perpetual license price got a lot of budget conscious users interested = and converted to paying customers.

I wish other = software companies would take a look at this model. Especially plugin = devs.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
   

On Aug 23, 2013 1:52 PM, "Teddy Gage" <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:
Jeff, just to play the devil's advocate here, and I DO NOT support = piracy in any way, shape or form, it is especially criminal at large = places that can afford it and choose to steal to help their bottom line, = but doesnt the responsibility to protect the software lie with the = developer? Hear me out. If you have a $2,000 bike wouldnt you put a lock = on it when you go inside? Sure, theres no lock in the world that = is 100% theft proof, but there are locks that are = extremely difficult to break and will reasonably protect your = investment. My tech knowledge of these things are pretty low, but if = your software is so good everyone wants to steal it, maybe look into = hardware dongles, better encryption, etc? If it is too hard to crack = people will just give up and buy it? Right? = Maybe? 

On Friday, August 23, 2013, Jeff Krebs wrote:
hmm we see number 10 as are = biggest issue. 1 or 2 major studios per day are reported to us.
This is not an individual trying out some software - These hundreds of = licenses per studio per day.




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Animator & = Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn


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