Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5223907 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:54:40 +0200 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.208]) by atl4mhob09.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8LIsgm7031053 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2013 14:54:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 9595 invoked by uid 0); 21 Sep 2013 18:54:42 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 75.51.169.94 X-Authenticated-UID: torno@sydefxink.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.1.7?) (torno@sydefxink.com@75.51.169.94) by 0 with ESMTPA; 21 Sep 2013 18:54:41 -0000 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0DBCD9EE-3C5A-4385-868A-C272A96357BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9C807A55-B838-4A18-82C8-38D04D309E7E@sydefxink.com> Cc: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: David Torno Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 11:54:38 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List --Apple-Mail-0DBCD9EE-3C5A-4385-868A-C272A96357BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Bruce the Precomp would be the solution. I've done this hundred= s of times and even as recently as two days ago. It definitely works. :) In your primary comp create a Solid and apply fractal noise to it. Precomp i= t making sure "move all attributes" is checked. Now, that Precomp layer posi= tion value can be moved all over your frame and the fractal as well as any o= ther layers in the precomp will move together. Using this method you can eve= n take that Mocha track you just did and export as transform data, not corne= r pin, and you could copy paste that onto your Precomp and it would work too= . Corner pin tracks and corner pin effects Use the entire layer coordinates.= So you have to make sure the layer you apply such techniques too are the sa= me frame aspect ratio as the area you are trying to match up. ex: a 16:9 scr= een using a 4:3 layer, things would stretch out of proportion. David Torno Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 --------------------- http://www.sydefxink.com http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com http://mactex.blogspot.com "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" = wrote: > ok, so none of that worked. I did a quick track in mocha, which didn't wo= rk too well before but with a lot of manual adjustments, it placed it in the= re nicely and now moves with the "track". I think it had to do with actuall= y having corner pins which uses the entire comp versus masking the solid and= the mask traveling around the comp. That was my earlier guess. >=20 > So, I guess the bottom line though is you can't really apply to a masked a= rea of a solid when the mask is floating around. >=20 > Eric >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> Well, I'm definitely missing something but that doesn't seem to be it. I= 've tried adding the effect, before precomp, after precomp, etc and still no= t working.=20 >>=20 >> Appreciate all the help though....just not quite there. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:= >>> I still think you're missing a vital step - you need to have a precomp t= hat solely consists of the solid with Fractal Noise applied. Any masking and= tracking must be done *to* the precomp, not inside the precomp. >>>=20 >>> Bruce >>>=20 >>> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:09:40 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>>> Brian, >>>>=20 >>>> After reading yours, I thought THAT is going to be the fix. It didn't >>>> work but I think I know the problem. It was an easy enough shot that >>>> I manually tracked with just a mask so there are no corner pins. >>>>=20 >>>> So, to recap, I took my layer, which is just a solid. This one does >>>> NOT have the shine and that probably doesn't matter anyway. >>>>=20 >>>> So, I removed my mask keyframes, along with effects applied, then >>>> applied the effects first, then the corner pins back. It remains the >>>> same. >>>>=20 >>>> Now, I am not even sure I can make it work at all with this setup. >>>>=20 >>>> Eric >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM, >>> > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I THINK you just have an effect-stacking issue here. If you apply >>>> your Fractal Noise first, then apply the corner pins, then apply >>>> Shine, it should all work fine. It does here, no pre-comping requir= ed. >>>> However, if you apply the fractal noise after the geometry is >>>> transformed, the noise is relative to the comp, not the layer. >>>> Switch the stacking order around and see if that fixes it for you. >>>> Brian >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>> > >>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>> > >>>> Sent: 9/21/2013 11:05:47 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking >>>>> And, that didn't work. I precomped my solid, then added the >>>>> effect...no go. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Eric >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>> > wro= te: >>>>>=20 >>>>> It's definitely a solid. I have a solid that I am using as a >>>>> background, with the fractal noise on, then a separate solid >>>>> with the Shine effect on. >>>>>=20 >>>>> With regard to the "precomp it" response. It might just be >>>>> procedural, but I had tried precomping my solid and it still >>>>> moves. Maybe you mean before I add the noise. Hmm, let me >>>>> try that. :) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Eric >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM, brian_maffitt >>>>> > wro= te: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Any chance you accidentally enabled the "adjustment >>>>> layer" button? >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" >>>> > >>>>> To: "After Effects Mail List" >>>> > >>>>> Sent: 9/21/2013 10:54:56 AM >>>>> Subject: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I've added a fractal noise to a solid, with Trapcode >>>>>> Shine then added (not that this is important), and when >>>>>> I animate the solid to move around to the scene, the >>>>>> fractal noise remains in place which sort of ruins the >>>>>> effect. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Basically, I have a screen replacement for a laptop with >>>>>> camera movement. The solid the replaces the screen and >>>>>> is tracked for the movement. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Any idea how to get this fractal noise to stick to the >>>>>> solid for the same movement? Here is a still. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> http://s532.photobucket.com/user/kirkeric/media/FCScene54= 4873.jpg.html >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Eric >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>> * >>>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>>> ** >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>> ** >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>>> *443.206.1347 >>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>>> ** >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | **Kirk Productions* >>>> *The Night Visitor | VFX* >>>> *443.206.1347 >>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com * >>>> *IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/* >>>> ** >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> The Night Visitor | VFX >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > The Night Visitor | VFX > 443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail-0DBCD9EE-3C5A-4385-868A-C272A96357BE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Bruce the Precomp would b= e the solution. I've done this hundreds of times and even as recently as two= days ago. It definitely works. :)

In your primary c= omp create a Solid and apply fractal noise to it. Precomp it making sure "mo= ve all attributes" is checked. Now, that Precomp layer position value can be= moved all over your frame and the fractal as well as any other layers in th= e precomp will move together. Using this method you can even take that Mocha= track you just did and export as transform data, not corner pin, and you co= uld copy paste that onto your Precomp and it would work too.

<= /div>
Corner pin tracks and corner pin effects   Use the entire lay= er coordinates. So you have to make sure the layer you apply such techniques= too are the same frame aspect ratio as the area you are trying to match up.= ex: a 16:9 screen using a 4:3 layer, things would stretch out of proportion= .


Visual E= ffects Artist & Supervisor
O: 213.739.2290
C: 818.391.6060
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http://aeioweyou.blogspot.= com

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
=
-Charles Field

On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

=
ok, so none of that wo= rked.  I did a quick track in mocha, which didn't work too well before b= ut with a lot of manual adjustments, it placed it in there nicely and now mo= ves with the "track".  I think it had to do with actually having corner= pins which uses the entire comp versus masking the solid and the mask trave= ling around the comp.  That was my earlier guess.

So, I guess the bottom line though is you can't really apply t= o a masked area of a solid when the mask is floating around.

<= /div>
Eric


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@g= mail.com> wrote:
Well, I'm definitely missing something but that doesn't see= m to be it.  I've tried adding the effect, before precomp, after precom= p, etc and still not working. 

Appreciate all the he= lp though....just not quite there.

Eric


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Wainer &= lt;brwainer@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I still think you're missing a vital step - yo= u need to have a precomp that solely consists of the solid with Fractal Nois= e applied. Any masking and tracking must be done *to* the precomp, not insid= e the precomp.

Bruce

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:09:40 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
Brian,

After reading yours, I thought THAT is going to be the fix.  It didn't<= br> work but I think I know the problem.  It was an easy enough shot that I manually tracked with just a mask so there are no corner pins.

So, to recap, I took my layer, which is just a solid.  This one does NOT have the shine and that probably doesn't matter anyway.

So, I removed my mask keyframes, along with effects applied, then
applied the effects first, then the corner pins back.  It remains the same.

Now, I am not even sure I can make it work at all with this setup.

Eric



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM, <brian@totaltraining.com
<mailto:bria= n@totaltraining.com>> wrote:

    I THINK you just have an effect-stacking issue here. If you ap= ply
    your Fractal Noise first, then apply the corner pins, then app= ly
    Shine, it should all work fine. It does here, no pre-comping r= equired.
    However, if you apply the fractal noise after the geometry is<= br>     transformed, the noise is relative to the comp, not the layer.=
    Switch the stacking order around and see if that fixes it for y= ou.
    Brian
    ------ Original Message ------
    From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com
    <mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com>>
    To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv
    <mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv>>
    Sent: 9/21/2013 11:05:47 AM
    Subject: Re: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking
    And, that didn't work.  I precomped my solid, then added t= he
    effect...no go.

    Eric


    On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk
    <kirkproductions@gmail.com <mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com>>= ; wrote:

        It's definitely a solid.  I have a solid th= at I am using as a
        background, with the fractal noise on, then a se= parate solid
        with the Shine effect on.

        With regard to the "precomp it" response.  = It might just be
        procedural, but I had tried precomping my solid a= nd it still
        moves.  Maybe you mean before I add the noi= se.  Hmm, let me
        try that. :)

        Eric


        On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM, brian_maffitt<= br>         <brian@totaltraining.com <mailto:brian@totaltraining.com&= gt;> wrote:

            Any chance you accidentally enable= d the "adjustment
            layer" button?
            ------ Original Message ------
=             From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gm= ail.com
            <mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com= >>
            To: "After Effects Mail List" <= AE-List@media-m= otion.tv
            <mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv>= >
            Sent: 9/21/2013 10:54:56 AM
            Subject: [AE] Fractal Noise on Sol= id Not Sticking
            Hello,

            I've added a fractal noise to a so= lid, with Trapcode
            Shine then added (not that this is= important), and when
            I animate the solid to move around= to the scene, the
            fractal noise remains in place whi= ch sort of ruins the
            effect.

            Basically, I have a screen replace= ment for a laptop with
            camera movement. The solid the rep= laces the screen and
            is tracked for the movement.

            Any idea how to get this fractal n= oise to stick to the
            solid for the same movement?  = ;Here is a still.

            http://s5= 32.photobucket.com/user/kirkeric/media/FCScene544873.jpg.html<= /a>


            Thanks,
            Eric

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