Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv ? Message #50879
From: David Torno <torno@sydefxink.com>
Subject: Re: [AE] Re[2]: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 11:54:38 -0700
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Cc: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
I agree with Bruce the Precomp would be the solution. I've done this hundreds of times and even as recently as two days ago. It definitely works. :)

In your primary comp create a Solid and apply fractal noise to it. Precomp it making sure "move all attributes" is checked. Now, that Precomp layer position value can be moved all over your frame and the fractal as well as any other layers in the precomp will move together. Using this method you can even take that Mocha track you just did and export as transform data, not corner pin, and you could copy paste that onto your Precomp and it would work too.

Corner pin tracks and corner pin effects   Use the entire layer coordinates. So you have to make sure the layer you apply such techniques too are the same frame aspect ratio as the area you are trying to match up. ex: a 16:9 screen using a 4:3 layer, things would stretch out of proportion.


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On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:43 AM, "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:

ok, so none of that worked.  I did a quick track in mocha, which didn't work too well before but with a lot of manual adjustments, it placed it in there nicely and now moves with the "track".  I think it had to do with actually having corner pins which uses the entire comp versus masking the solid and the mask traveling around the comp.  That was my earlier guess.

So, I guess the bottom line though is you can't really apply to a masked area of a solid when the mask is floating around.

Eric


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <kirkproductions@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I'm definitely missing something but that doesn't seem to be it.  I've tried adding the effect, before precomp, after precomp, etc and still not working. 

Appreciate all the help though....just not quite there.

Eric


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Wainer <brwainer@gmail.com> wrote:
I still think you're missing a vital step - you need to have a precomp that solely consists of the solid with Fractal Noise applied. Any masking and tracking must be done *to* the precomp, not inside the precomp.

Bruce

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:09:40 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote:
Brian,

After reading yours, I thought THAT is going to be the fix.  It didn't
work but I think I know the problem.  It was an easy enough shot that
I manually tracked with just a mask so there are no corner pins.

So, to recap, I took my layer, which is just a solid.  This one does
NOT have the shine and that probably doesn't matter anyway.

So, I removed my mask keyframes, along with effects applied, then
applied the effects first, then the corner pins back.  It remains the
same.

Now, I am not even sure I can make it work at all with this setup.

Eric



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM, <brian@totaltraining.com
<mailto:brian@totaltraining.com>> wrote:

    I THINK you just have an effect-stacking issue here. If you apply
    your Fractal Noise first, then apply the corner pins, then apply
    Shine, it should all work fine. It does here, no pre-comping required.
    However, if you apply the fractal noise after the geometry is
    transformed, the noise is relative to the comp, not the layer.
    Switch the stacking order around and see if that fixes it for you.
    Brian
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    From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com
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    Sent: 9/21/2013 11:05:47 AM
    Subject: Re: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking
    And, that didn't work.  I precomped my solid, then added the
    effect...no go.

    Eric


    On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk
    <kirkproductions@gmail.com <mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com>> wrote:

        It's definitely a solid.  I have a solid that I am using as a
        background, with the fractal noise on, then a separate solid
        with the Shine effect on.

        With regard to the "precomp it" response.  It might just be
        procedural, but I had tried precomping my solid and it still
        moves.  Maybe you mean before I add the noise.  Hmm, let me
        try that. :)

        Eric


        On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM, brian_maffitt
        <brian@totaltraining.com <mailto:brian@totaltraining.com>> wrote:

            Any chance you accidentally enabled the "adjustment
            layer" button?
            ------ Original Message ------
            From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" <kirkproductions@gmail.com
            <mailto:kirkproductions@gmail.com>>
            To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv
            <mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv>>
            Sent: 9/21/2013 10:54:56 AM
            Subject: [AE] Fractal Noise on Solid Not Sticking
            Hello,

            I've added a fractal noise to a solid, with Trapcode
            Shine then added (not that this is important), and when
            I animate the solid to move around to the scene, the
            fractal noise remains in place which sort of ruins the
            effect.

            Basically, I have a screen replacement for a laptop with
            camera movement. The solid the replaces the screen and
            is tracked for the movement.

            Any idea how to get this fractal noise to stick to the
            solid for the same movement?  Here is a still.

            http://s532.photobucket.com/user/kirkeric/media/FCScene544873.jpg.html


            Thanks,
            Eric

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