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(chris@chriszwar.com@60.225.197.206) by 0 with ESMTPA; 17 Oct 2013 09:46:55 -0000 From: Chris Zwar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_53500E61-4633-4E7E-8821-70D39316EEDB" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Levels vs Curves render times Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:46:53 +1100 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) --Apple-Mail=_53500E61-4633-4E7E-8821-70D39316EEDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I am a little late to the party, and all of the major suggestions seem = to have been listed. However a few small additional thoughts: - a blend with original slider (and if you're generous, a blending mode = option too!) - have the ability to reset individual channels, not just the overall = effect - the ability to copy and paste a curve between channels In terms of priorities, a histogram is something I think is very = important (before and after even better), and the option to use bezier = handles on the curve points. While it may not be possible to have = numerical values for all points, setting a numerical value for input = black and whites would be vital. While I think it is important that the curve window should be as large = as possible, I also think it is important that the effect is restricted = to the effects palette and the live feedback works in the same way - in = other words no new, custom interface. If this sounds confusing, I'm = trying to contrast this with the full interface of colour finesse, which = is great in its own right but just doesn't seem to get used much because = of the way the separate interface opens up. =20 While it is obvious to suggest that Adobe copy the Frischluft plugin, I = think it might be more worthwhile to look at the way Colour Finesse = works with the simplified interface and determine why so few people use = it. Some of the feature requests that have been listed in this thread = are already covered by Colour Finesse, and I'm often surprised at how = much better it looks that the standard Adobe curves plugin. But there = has to be some reason it is often overlooked=85 No point updating the curves plugin with only a few new features that = are already in Colour Finesse=85 better to give us new features that = aren't - a whopping great big window and bezier handles would be a great = start. -Chris On 12/10/2013, at 11:16 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > I have sent most of the following to the AE 'make a wish' report = before, but now I just got around to make it a prioritised list :-) >=20 > 1. Make the curve window resizable, so it always fits the effect = panels width. >=20 > 2. All channel curves viewable at the same time >=20 > 3. Draw an indicator on the curve that shows the value of comp image = under the mouse cursor >=20 > 4. Every point on a curve should have numercial values that you should = be able to enter manually. >=20 > 5. Make it possible to also use bezier curves in the curve interface = with same shortcuts to break an modify the points like regular AE masks. = It should be an additonal input not a replacement of the current curve = point input >=20 > 6. Make buttons in the effect to change between the different channels = instead of the current slow dropdown method. Shortcut keys too. >=20 > 7. Histogram in the curve display, before and after curve adjustment >=20 > 8. Button to invert the curve to reverse a former curve adjustment if = needed >=20 > 9. A new curves update should be developed to be implemented in = Premiere and Speedgrade with the same controls. >=20 > 10. Two overlay grid pattern sizes like in PS. >=20 > 11. Luma channel mode, in addition to the current RGB, R, G, B and = Alpha. >=20 > 12. The "direct image manipulator" mode from PS and Lightroom is quite = nice, and more precise than "guessing" what point on the curve you have = to change to change a wanted value. >=20 > 13. A saturation channel curve >=20 > 14. A Hue channel curve (should probably be a horisontal line instead = of a diagonal) >=20 > 15. Have a subtle color gradient in the background of the curves grid = to make it easier for users not familiar with curves on what adjustments = will do to the colors. See the Avid MC color corrector for inspiration, = just make it a bit more subtle and a toggle view mode. >=20 > 16. A floating popup display that show all the channels beside each = other. This display should be moveable and resizable, maybe with a = custom transparency option. Clicking outside the dialog, or pressing ESC = should automaticly close the display so it is quick to get out of. Take = a look at the popup curves display in DaVinci Resolve for inspiration, = just make it better and more customizable. This popup display could be = used for more effects, like implementing the various Speedgrade color = tools native in AE. >=20 > 17. Add the parametic curve parameters from Lightroom along with the = "direct image manipulator" to make curves easier for users not = comfortable with the points in the curve UI >=20 > 18. Remove the sketching method and loading and saving of .ACV files = if this is holding back useful updates. This should just be used in a = "legacy curves" effect, the current effect :-)=20 >=20 > Robert > Den 12/10/2013 09.32 skrev "Jarle Leirpoll" : > Steal the RGB Curves effect from Premiere Pro - It's awesome, because = it can > be scaled to a large size, and we see all four curves at the same = time! Then > add a Histogram and a Saturation slider, and we have an all-purpose = color > corrector. :-) Share this new effect with the Premiere Pro team and = make > sure it travels safely between the apps. :-) >=20 > /jarle >=20 > --------------------- > Todd Wrote: > If we were to spend time improving the Curves effect, what would be = the > changes that you'd want to see? Be as specific as possible, and list = things > in your priority order. Anything in the Curves effect is fair game for = this > conversation, including user interface, performance (as noted by Chris > below), and additional features. >=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_53500E61-4633-4E7E-8821-70D39316EEDB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I am = a little late to the party, and all of the major suggestions seem to = have been listed.

However a few small additional = thoughts:

- a blend with original slider (and = if you're generous, a blending mode option too!)
- have the = ability to reset individual channels, not just the overall = effect
- the ability to copy and paste a curve between = channels


In terms of priorities, = a histogram is something I think is very important (before and = after even better), and the option to use bezier handles on the curve = points.  While it may not be possible to have numerical values for = all points, setting a numerical value for input black and whites would = be vital.

While I think it is important that = the curve window should be as large as possible, I also think it is = important that the effect is restricted to the effects palette and the = live feedback works in the same way - in other words no new, custom = interface.  If this sounds confusing, I'm trying to contrast this = with the full interface of colour finesse, which is great in its own = right but just doesn't seem to get used much because of the way the = separate interface opens up.  

While it is = obvious to suggest that Adobe copy the Frischluft plugin, I think it = might be more worthwhile to look at the way Colour Finesse works with = the simplified interface and determine why so few people use it. =  Some of the feature requests that have been listed in this thread = are already covered by Colour Finesse, and I'm often surprised at how = much better it looks that the standard Adobe curves plugin.  But = there has to be some reason it is often = overlooked=85

No point updating the curves = plugin with only a few new features that are already in Colour Finesse=85 = better to give us new features that aren't - a whopping great big window = and bezier handles would be a great = start.


-Chris

=
On 12/10/2013, at 11:16 PM, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> = wrote:

I have sent most of the following to the AE = 'make a wish' report before, but now I just got around to make it a = prioritised list :-)

1. Make the curve window = resizable, so it always fits the effect panels width.

2. All channel curves viewable at the same time

3. Draw an indicator on the curve that shows the value of = comp image under the mouse cursor

4. Every point on a = curve should have numercial values that you should be able to enter = manually.

5. Make it possible to also use bezier = curves in the curve interface with same shortcuts to break an modify the = points like regular AE masks. It should be an additonal input not a = replacement of the current curve point input

6. Make = buttons in the effect to change between the different channels instead = of the current slow dropdown method. Shortcut keys too.

7. Histogram in the curve display, before and after curve = adjustment

8. Button to invert the curve to reverse a = former curve adjustment if needed

9. A new curves = update should be developed to be implemented in Premiere and Speedgrade = with the same controls.

10. Two overlay grid pattern = sizes like in PS.

11. Luma channel mode, in addition = to the current RGB, R, G, B and Alpha.

12. The = "direct image manipulator" mode from PS and Lightroom is quite nice, and = more precise than "guessing" what point on the curve you have to change = to change a wanted value.

13. A saturation channel = curve

14. A Hue channel curve (should probably be a = horisontal line instead of a diagonal)

15. Have a = subtle color gradient in the background of the curves grid to make it = easier for users not familiar with curves on what adjustments will do to = the colors. See the Avid MC color corrector for inspiration, just make = it a bit more subtle and a toggle view mode.

16. A = floating popup display that show all the channels beside each other. = This display should be moveable and resizable, maybe with a custom = transparency option. Clicking outside the dialog, or pressing ESC should = automaticly close the display so it is quick to get out of. Take a look = at the popup curves display in DaVinci Resolve for inspiration, just = make it better and more customizable. This popup display could be used = for more effects, like implementing the various Speedgrade color tools = native in AE.

17. Add the parametic curve parameters = from Lightroom along with the "direct image manipulator" to make curves = easier for users not comfortable with the points in the curve UI

18. Remove the sketching method and loading and saving of = .ACV files if this is holding back useful updates. This should just be = used in a "legacy curves" effect, the current effect :-)

Robert

Den 12/10/2013 09.32 skrev "Jarle Leirpoll" = <leirpoll@online.no>:
Steal the RGB Curves effect from Premiere Pro - It's awesome, because it = can
be scaled to a large size, and we see all four curves at the same time! = Then
add a Histogram and a Saturation slider, and we have an all-purpose = color
corrector. :-) Share this new effect with the Premiere Pro team and = make
sure it travels safely between the apps. :-)

/jarle

---------------------
Todd Wrote:
If we were to spend time improving the Curves effect, what would be = the
changes that you'd want to see? Be as specific as possible, and list = things
in your priority order. Anything in the Curves effect is fair game for = this
conversation, including user interface, performance (as noted by = Chris
below), and additional features.



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