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| But film being projected is no longer the case as well.. I actually have no idea when the last time I saw celluloid projected on screen,. most of the theaters I go to have gone digital (or I can't tell when I'm viewing).. But it can be argued that 99% of theatrical releases are being produced at 24fps so there's nothing wrong with people wanting to do the same for their home/corporate videos. On Oct 23, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Phil Mastman <pmlists@sandlotpictures.com> wrote: > In my opinion, the big benefit of 23.98 is when it is being shown on > broadcast TV, with 3:2 pulldown added to make it 29.97. In that situation it > does look more "cinematic". In most corporate situations, this is no longer > the case, and in my opinion I prefer the smooth natural quality of shooting > and editing at 29.97.. Still looks cinematic to me. > > Projected film is not really comparable... Movie projectors show each frame > twice at 24p. There is no real equivalent to that in electronic display. > > --Phil > > Phil Mastman > Sandlot Pictures, Inc. > > >> Well, 24p does look more filmic and less "video", so can't really blame >> people for favoring it. (and on the flip side,. seems like a lot of people >> dissed Pete Jackson for going 48p on The Hobbit!) >> >> 24fps always = 20% faster RAM previews... 20% faster uploads. and in some >> fields,. that 20% might not seem like much, but for those who work on >> ridiculous daily deadlines, that can be huge. >> (one of the reasons I try to avoid field rendering much of the time) >> >> But I do agree, if you're forced to remove 3:2 pulldown in a 29.97 video >> (that's been edited), what a headache!@# >> >> -Gary >> >> >> >> On Oct 23, 2013, at 3:45 PM, brian@totaltraining.com wrote: >> >>> While this is technically true, it is (for me at least) not the problem it >>> once was. A 20% increase on a 5-day render was catastrophic. But a 20% >>> increase on a 30-minute render is an extra round of Puzzle Quest. >>> >>> Storage is likewise so cheap now that the extra frames don't really cost me >>> much. >>> >>> Just my take... >>> >>> B >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "patrick Siemer" <siemer@gmail.com> >>> To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> >>> Sent: 10/23/2013 6:37:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AE] 29.97 versus 23.976 for corporate? >>>> There is a benefit to working at 23.976 (24), and that is the accumulated >>>> savings of time in rendering and animating. 20% faster renders, 20% fewer >>>> keyframes. 20% less Data to move around, upload, etc. It is not >>>> insignificant. yes 29.97(30) is a bit smoother, but really, every single >>>> feature film you ever saw uses 24 fps, and have they suffered from it? >>>> Headaches occur when someone forgets they are now working at 24 fps and drop >>>> it in a 30 fps comp, or vice versa. It happens to everyone at least once. >>>> The main thing to worry about is staying consistent. >>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 3:09 PM, rik bogusz wrote: >>>> >>>>> ugh. i just went through a similar experience for a spot for broadcast that >>>>> was about equal with footage shot on set, combined with animations and >>>>> motion graphics. the dp insisted on shooting 23.976 with the same "filmic" >>>>> justification. for spots, corporate/industrial and online 23.976 just >>>>> creates more problems and will give you a massive migraine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I work for one company that has always done its corporate work (primarily >>>>>> for the web) at 29.97 progressive. They have just brought in a new DP who >>>>>> is religious about using 23.976. I'm not that attached one way or the >>>>>> other except that I find that certain kinds of motion graphics >>>>>> (particularly text) look smoother at 29.97. I'm curious what others >>>>>> standardize on in the corporate sphere when going to the web? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've always found the notion of using 23.976 for "filmic" effect overrated >>>>>> outside of feature narrative/documentary sphere when compared to DOF, >>>>>> color, and things like story. Particularly when most consumers don't >>>>>> notice the difference in my experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> >>>> >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> >> >> >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> |
