Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5265624 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:43:58 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (CPE-72-135-117-181.new.res.rr.com [72.135.117.181]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mapus-1VGxJe1vh4-00Kj9V; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:45:09 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) Subject: Re: [AE] 29.97 versus 23.976 for corporate? From: Steve Oakley In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:45:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <263BF0A0-FFB8-4EEB-B99A-5F989B75D86F@practicali.com> References: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:jaHxyagW+ktZ4kxamU0noYZ03DZuY4qkLeTsMHPswIx WdDimY9XFmLyVuZXslFDswZhhqLJ3aMJ2V7Rdlkqc+mnwOukbq dzsROFKcUufjWGxDpAwx/lKtWTfLpDHZ4jcFHMJPXXBUiCdxKu iX36mVEqXJj0zvo1adk9bDELo16As3qSi8n/GS83ZtZWGLDNS8 1A+G9qxgfEouKx7dMWKmWLNaZzEt2632Ot2LL25fNkWifgG9FW CgVCPypgNNF4TiTNFVewnLd7d+jRcInz5dtUeDulzWxj+a+oYC noRa+1ihrW2BhdI0KRm8jYobcs9uV1hFWX5SnKALW5DxIw0Prb uw+NU8AvJt9CQP2nbQ8hJNjfaZj4hnQ6NWxng01Tq6EDssRmA1 AXLA752Q6PNYQ== On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > But my gut instinct is to agree with James and suggest that fps is = secondary to things like depth of field, lighting and colour grading and = so I'm a bit surprised no-one else has really commented or debated this. > I would think that something shot 29.97 that is well lit, has a = shallow depth of field and is nicely graded would look much more filmic = that something shot 23.976 using only available light, ungraded and with = everything in focus. > If I had a client who wanted something "filmic" then I wouldn't worry = about the fps, I would just go to town with something like Magic Bullet = Looks. 30p is its own look somewhere between 30i and 24p. its less video = looking and fewer stuttering effects when panning too fast. that said, I recently bought a C100 and its changed my shooting a lot. a = few weeks ago I was working on rigging a pair of lights in tight space, = working on diffusion and then tried something. I shut them off, turned = up the ISO a bit and had a perfectly great image. I still added a LED = into the BG, but it was dimmed to about 30% to open that space up. the = big diffused window light was what I wanted all along and simple assumed = I'd have to remake my own because my expected ISO of 320 was well under. = instead the camera let me go to 1200 or 1600 and it was perfect. In fact = that one scene changed how I shot the rest of the day. While I'd always = been a fan of supplemental light rather than relighting when working = locations, this camera ( and others like it ) have changed this to a = whole new level. I used a 1X1 LED outside to light up some trees as part = of some night scenes. we had to cut them down considerably because they = were actually too bright as compared to the interior light level. so = don't diss available light. sometimes it looks great and all you need is = a bounce fill or small fixture or to in order to make it great rather = than a whole grip truck of gak + big lights because the camera can't = make the exposure. thats all changed. grading shooting C log as been great. while I've tweaked out a better = setting than canon's, I'm not using LUTs as they tend to make a very = fimlic image look like video. instead I'm grading the raw C Log with = really great results. In fact its generally trivial the amount of = grading this camera needs when shot well. S