Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com ([209.85.216.182] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285075 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:21:00 +0100 Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id n7so688086qcx.27 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:22:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date :in-reply-to:to:references:message-id; bh=rBwun9eNFwo4OwZpQ8LAQ0gF6K1hw1lSBvoHW2H+0qU=; b=Fgcb5gnDYwf/7K5aV8hazjCe8lwr2gw/DU3HlWKe+Qqwu14Qa0P4MTiykc89kWSf+5 aCH32e2YThPcghk2vvat2p2Dq8w3LLITdIWDLa8i07aR863ktUlm22VdxpkipzGoUkdy qCI3ZE5MnWe0XoFgzD28MipGdpSB/olaLRMF6k67oXlF1s/CVxRTpMjU7fVf85mjgweA KCvyC16d5D1G73bSlsvhC9w0PAJRcc0je6U6lEUypySA6IS5bGyhD1egpQDTZxPRVpJ3 D2mKsxfiTtjqnMsK5Mudt3HFjuIy6Fp9nis+fAjJRoq2uWC35WHDwmPwWKFcqf3PkoXU OgYw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkzVhRuPGTB+HWVTfEPq8NpkxCgCw84tn0KaX8qmdr7lLSZZFTS88XXwNI6m3zpnOvd0hcX X-Received: by 10.224.96.129 with SMTP id h1mr71861230qan.14.1384381367396; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:22:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.0.227] ([65.223.58.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ge5sm15622014qeb.5.2013.11.13.14.22.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Spitler Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_842A2B2D-31B3-48B4-BA2F-241F477D48D6" Subject: Re: [AE] OT Contracts Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:22:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Apple-Mail=_842A2B2D-31B3-48B4-BA2F-241F477D48D6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I never did contracts when I was freelance. Phil Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 Website | Facebook | LinkedIn On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: > They are all different. Auto insurance is a new one. Another one is = they try to force you to carry worker's comp on yourself. It got bad = enough that I formed a LLC which has stopped most of the non-sense. Then = there are pages on s)xual harassment, toxic chemicals in the workplace, = safety procedures & PPE. just an unending pile of waste as the lawyer's = try to keep their jobs. the last time a LA prod co pulled this and made = me fill out the paperwork 3 times, I charged them 1hr for it. you want = me to waste my time filling out mostly needless junk, pay me ! >=20 > They also didn't like it that I had changed some text on the contract, = mainly around if there was a dispute, it will be settled locally here, = not in LA. >=20 > S >=20 > On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >=20 >> I was presented one that wanted proof of auto insurance, too. I did = park in their garage. So, that didn't bother me much. >>=20 >> But, they also wanted me to carry production insurance, when all I = was doing was editing and graphics on their computer systems. That was = one that I was able to successfully strike through, as I explained that = might be applicable to shooters with lights and electric and heavy = equipment, but not me. >>=20 >> The contracts are meant to favor them for every possible contingency = for liability. That's what lawyers do. They're not designed to be = fair. >>=20 >> BTW, I just sub-contracted a project for a very high profile = animation company=85 something to the effect of Sleepshop Spielman = Katzenjammer Gheko. I didn't sign squat, and they FTP-ed me HD clips = from their feature films. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Rob Birnholz = wrote: >>=20 >>> I am awaiting (this week) a contract with a major local = entertainment company. Aside from my particulars (name, address, tax = numbers, etc) I had to supply proof of auto liability insurance in case = I have an accident while on their property. I don't object, but that was = a new one for me. >>>=20 >>> My last contract with this company included six pages of what I = couldn't do with any work I created for them (basically show it to = anyone) or exactly how I was (or rather wasn't) allowed to speak their = name in connection with my own business. >>>=20 >>> But in practice there is a gray area=85 If I followed their last = deal to the letter I wouldn't have gotten this new deal (as in "My demo = reel includes snippets of what I created for your company in the past. = Please take notice!"). >>>=20 >>> Rob Birnholz >>> ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc. >>> -digital design and post- >>> Longwood, Florida >>> www.absolutemotiongraphics.com >>>=20 >>> The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the >>> cheese. >>>=20 >>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Some companies want you to indemnify them if you get hurt on their = premises or locations they pay you to work. >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_842A2B2D-31B3-48B4-BA2F-241F477D48D6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = never did contracts when I was = freelance.

Phil

signature1 Phil = Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : 415.394.8200  m : = 415.571.3139

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On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:

They = are all different. Auto insurance is a new one. Another one is they try = to force you to carry worker's comp on yourself. It got bad enough that = I formed a LLC which has stopped most of the non-sense. Then there are = pages on s)xual harassment, toxic chemicals in the workplace, safety = procedures & PPE. just an unending pile of waste as the lawyer's try = to keep their jobs. the last time a LA prod co pulled this and made me = fill out the paperwork 3 times, I charged them 1hr for it. you want me = to waste my time filling out mostly needless junk, pay me !

They = also didn't like it that I had changed some text on the contract, mainly = around if there was a dispute, it will be settled locally here, not in = LA.

S

On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> = wrote:

I was presented one that wanted = proof of auto insurance, too.  I did park in their garage. =  So, that didn't bother me much.

But, they also = wanted me to carry production insurance, when all I was doing was = editing and graphics on their computer systems.  That was one that = I was able to successfully strike through, as I explained that might be = applicable to shooters with lights and electric and heavy equipment, but = not me.

The contracts = are meant to favor them for every possible contingency for liability. =  That's what lawyers do.  They're not designed to be = fair.

BTW, I just = sub-contracted a project for a very high profile animation company=85 = something to the effect of Sleepshop Spielman Katzenjammer Gheko. =  I didn't sign squat, and they FTP-ed me HD clips from their = feature films.




On Nov 13, = 2013, at 3:47 PM, Rob Birnholz <absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:

I am awaiting (this week) a contract with a major local = entertainment company. Aside from my particulars (name, address, tax = numbers, etc) I had to supply proof of auto liability insurance in case = I have an accident while on their property. I don't object, but that was = a new one for me.

My last contract with this = company included six pages of what I couldn't do with any work I created = for them (basically show it to anyone) or exactly how I was (or rather = wasn't) allowed to speak their name in connection with my own = business.

But in practice there is a gray = area=85 If I followed their last deal to the letter I wouldn't have = gotten this new deal (as in "My demo reel includes snippets of what I = created for your company in the past. Please take = notice!").

Rob = Birnholz
ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, = Inc.
-digital design and = post-
Longwood, Florida
www.absolutemotiongraphics.= com

The early bird may get the worm, = but the second mouse gets the
cheese.

On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jim = Curtis wrote:

Some = companies want you to indemnify them if you get hurt on their premises = or locations they pay you to = work.


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