Return-Path: Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com ([209.85.128.51] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285189 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:26:58 +0100 Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id t7so823271qeb.38 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:28:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to; bh=yix+qEo/eAJWZ1SwbA1bF+wQ+UwwrTAzAc4m5yvSBCk=; b=PbumppnC3o564QTvS0eFAOs3jqje3nu+YGNZOS7qhfheYzy14pXChuRpiJ+Tda2nhh 8B2djdoFixICasa6SpCq+eGTQfQ24lMTQYZRClwuRD8xrXKHB9f5wBIAuyxLjrGBMiAU 0WmXQWGVlYXTKkh1N1xF7q+NkSgxGW5/uRvyfQBsUQnnJn3qRd1uyjJgnkZVxygc8Yxb yjRlWxOEfDLPl96VrJlJw82MaT/ug7sYX8/Ki9qWKl5H/5WiJvcYD2Yrj2QwN3S3xdjL nKaNW3EX9oM5TKQ01QbUKh12yPkCFHwY+OdZeS5wnxkuxUrkOKXMuCfImnsgtmlYICD8 vdBg== X-Received: by 10.49.58.175 with SMTP id s15mr70326707qeq.2.1384392525725; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:28:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.0.188] ([65.223.58.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q15sm36232434qac.12.2013.11.13.17.28.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:28:44 -0800 (PST) From: patrick Siemer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B5CCF587-8464-4CC2-8459-A606BC225432" Message-Id: <06A574BF-8067-49DD-B9D3-13BAA99F66E8@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1816\)) Subject: Re: [AE] OT Contracts Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:28:42 -0800 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1816) --Apple-Mail=_B5CCF587-8464-4CC2-8459-A606BC225432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I never had a lawyer look at my contracts, but I always read every word. = A lawyer friend once told me to cross out anything in the contract i = did not like and then initial it. Add what you want. Then send it back,. If they want to work ith you they will change it. no client ever had a problem with that. good luck! -patrick On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > I never did contracts when I was freelance. >=20 > Phil >=20 > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >=20 > Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >=20 > On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: >=20 >> They are all different. Auto insurance is a new one. Another one is = they try to force you to carry worker's comp on yourself. It got bad = enough that I formed a LLC which has stopped most of the non-sense. Then = there are pages on s)xual harassment, toxic chemicals in the workplace, = safety procedures & PPE. just an unending pile of waste as the lawyer's = try to keep their jobs. the last time a LA prod co pulled this and made = me fill out the paperwork 3 times, I charged them 1hr for it. you want = me to waste my time filling out mostly needless junk, pay me ! >>=20 >> They also didn't like it that I had changed some text on the = contract, mainly around if there was a dispute, it will be settled = locally here, not in LA. >>=20 >> S >>=20 >> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>=20 >>> I was presented one that wanted proof of auto insurance, too. I did = park in their garage. So, that didn't bother me much. >>>=20 >>> But, they also wanted me to carry production insurance, when all I = was doing was editing and graphics on their computer systems. That was = one that I was able to successfully strike through, as I explained that = might be applicable to shooters with lights and electric and heavy = equipment, but not me. >>>=20 >>> The contracts are meant to favor them for every possible contingency = for liability. That's what lawyers do. They're not designed to be = fair. >>>=20 >>> BTW, I just sub-contracted a project for a very high profile = animation company=85 something to the effect of Sleepshop Spielman = Katzenjammer Gheko. I didn't sign squat, and they FTP-ed me HD clips = from their feature films. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Rob Birnholz = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I am awaiting (this week) a contract with a major local = entertainment company. Aside from my particulars (name, address, tax = numbers, etc) I had to supply proof of auto liability insurance in case = I have an accident while on their property. I don't object, but that was = a new one for me. >>>>=20 >>>> My last contract with this company included six pages of what I = couldn't do with any work I created for them (basically show it to = anyone) or exactly how I was (or rather wasn't) allowed to speak their = name in connection with my own business. >>>>=20 >>>> But in practice there is a gray area=85 If I followed their last = deal to the letter I wouldn't have gotten this new deal (as in "My demo = reel includes snippets of what I created for your company in the past. = Please take notice!"). >>>>=20 >>>> Rob Birnholz >>>> ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, Inc. >>>> -digital design and post- >>>> Longwood, Florida >>>> www.absolutemotiongraphics.com >>>>=20 >>>> The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the >>>> cheese. >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Some companies want you to indemnify them if you get hurt on their = premises or locations they pay you to work. >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_B5CCF587-8464-4CC2-8459-A606BC225432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I never had a lawyer look at my contracts, = but I always read every word.  A lawyer friend once told me to = cross out anything in the contract i did not like and then initial it. = Add what you want.
Then send = it back,.  If they want to work ith you they will change = it.
no client ever had = a problem with that.
good luck!
-patrick
On = Nov 13, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> = wrote:

I never did = contracts when I was freelance.

Phil

Phil = Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  = |  t : 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139

Website | Facebook | LinkedIn

On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:17 PM, = Steve Oakley wrote:

They are all different. Auto insurance is a = new one. Another one is they try to force you to carry worker's comp on = yourself. It got bad enough that I formed a LLC which has stopped most = of the non-sense. Then there are pages on s)xual harassment, toxic = chemicals in the workplace, safety procedures & PPE. just an = unending pile of waste as the lawyer's try to keep their jobs. the last = time a LA prod co pulled this and made me fill out the paperwork 3 = times, I charged them 1hr for it. you want me to waste my time filling = out mostly needless junk, pay me !

They also didn't like it that I had changed some text on the = contract, mainly around if there was a dispute, it will be = settled locally here, not in LA.

S

On Nov 13, 2013, at = 4:04 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> = wrote:

I was presented one that wanted = proof of auto insurance, too.  I did park in their garage. =  So, that didn't bother me much.

But, they also = wanted me to carry production insurance, when all I was doing was = editing and graphics on their computer systems.  That was one that = I was able to successfully strike through, as I explained that might be = applicable to shooters with lights and electric and heavy equipment, but = not me.

The contracts = are meant to favor them for every possible contingency for liability. =  That's what lawyers do.  They're not designed to be = fair.

BTW, I just = sub-contracted a project for a very high profile animation company=85 = something to the effect of Sleepshop Spielman Katzenjammer Gheko. =  I didn't sign squat, and they FTP-ed me HD clips from their = feature films.




On Nov 13, = 2013, at 3:47 PM, Rob Birnholz <absolutemotion@birnholz.com> = wrote:

I am awaiting (this week) a contract with a major local = entertainment company. Aside from my particulars (name, address, tax = numbers, etc) I had to supply proof of auto liability insurance in case = I have an accident while on their property. I don't object, but that was = a new one for me.

My last contract with this = company included six pages of what I couldn't do with any work I created = for them (basically show it to anyone) or exactly how I was (or rather = wasn't) allowed to speak their name in connection with my own = business.

But in practice there is a gray = area=85 If I followed their last deal to the letter I wouldn't have = gotten this new deal (as in "My demo reel includes snippets of what I = created for your company in the past. Please take = notice!").

Rob = Birnholz
ABSOLUTE MOTION GRAPHICS, = Inc.
-digital design and = post-
Longwood, Florida
www.absolutemotiongraphics.com

The early bird may get the worm, = but the second mouse gets the
cheese.

On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jim = Curtis wrote:

Some = companies want you to indemnify them if you get hurt on their premises = or locations they pay you to = work.


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