Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.217.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285222 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:10:57 +0100 Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q8so1033404lbi.14 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:12:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QgdQUt9iTorswzA23l+fioLjpFCVXK6F2do0KyrL6zE=; b=PhlsrfG6Xv+JvaS+qMGtslZRJBJ45wEDLh2VRBD1WSULNUKJb49PdW4DlAjQAOT8DX ijQmw4xfj+NfZnkzEGkKcze4FuV/rCMOtBdw5T2ygT0VAlysdPFy7Y/eaI5nUyUWsxuB tzGRbz1NVK4deP82NEoOkGCShWP9m9+wINFoLm0Jq+Q9ore1DPKWlfaBDfszKsKK1l4I Isml9GYvurTjkAddzPbqIdSZl0sQImoywFa7peEuJ9MZ9nGgpvUJm2zGvR3hzoxgqQkl lmhViGKRvV9t0FKuDZQR3PQBglZKdiSWzO0bkDEs9jbhzRJP3IyiWeR4bsrrKTd4rLS7 QdGw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmu6lMeu0DeYUpDAYyf9V++WrEajlJ6kpViz2pm+PuOH6nKDIiz09Gny5bPsaOLvpmZiHS1 X-Received: by 10.152.28.37 with SMTP id y5mr12566482lag.23.1384395166721; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:12:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.176.137 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [192.0.160.155] In-Reply-To: References: From: Zack Lovatt Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158ca02243cbe04eb199ed5 --089e0158ca02243cbe04eb199ed5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Was just looking into this myself! Ended up going with a hard drive solution, RAID setup in a Network-Attached Storage box. This will be used specifically for (on-site) backups, and I'll have another drive kept off-site for safe keeping, for backups. Specifically -- 2x http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008JJLW4M/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 1x http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008U69DDG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 For active projects, I keep a dedicated drive in my main machine, and sync that to my laptop nightly. Zack Lovatt 416.786.4129 www.zacklovatt.com On 13 November 2013 20:36, Steve Oakley wrote: > seriously.... $100 1tb USB hard drive. next question... maybe get a 3.0 > adapter for faster access. ok power it up often enough. I've had drives sit > for quite a while and work fine. I use ChronoSync to match up local storage > to back up drives rather painlessly. Time Machine can also work ok for some > projects. > > there is nothing economical about LTO despite claims when you compare > either bare drives + eSATA dock or simple USB3 external drives. > > don't every think of optical media as stable, not the recordable kind. I > had over 100 DVD-R's go bad due to very low light level exposure. Bad > batch... thankfully what I lost doesn't matter and I had backups on... hard > drives ! > > S > > On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Robert Houghton wrote: > > > Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards > though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured they > would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would > definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap > enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them. > > > > -Rob > > > > On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO. > >> > >> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card. > >> > >> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back > about $2000 and up. Mostly up. > >> > >> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as > anybody on a network can access it. > >> > >> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. > >> > >> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expensive. > LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me. > >> > >> You may not need massive storage like I do. I do editing as well as > GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours of > footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have dropped > below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS for live > backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm working on > is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are there any > other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing up to > hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become unreliable > after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud merely > because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access where they > hit you with a 250GB usage limit. > >>> > >>> -Robert > >>> > >>> +---End of message---+ > >>> To unsubscribe send any message to > >> > >> +---End of message---+ > >> To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --089e0158ca02243cbe04eb199ed5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was just looking into this myself! Ended up going wit= h a hard drive solution, RAID setup in a Network-Attached Storage box. This= will be used specifically for (on-site) backups, and I'll have another= drive kept off-site for safe keeping, for backups.

Specifically --
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For active projects, I keep a dedicated drive in my main machine, and sync = that to my laptop nightly.

Zack Lovatt
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On 13 November 2013 20:36, Steve Oakley = <steveo@practicali.com> wrote:
seriously.... $100 1tb USB hard drive. next question... maybe get a 3.0 ada= pter for faster access. ok power it up often enough. I've had drives si= t for quite a while and work fine. I use ChronoSync to match up local stora= ge to back up drives rather painlessly. Time Machine can also work ok for s= ome projects.

there is nothing economical about LTO despite claims when you compare eithe= r bare drives + eSATA dock or simple USB3 external drives.

don't every think of optical media as stable, not the recordable kind. = I had over 100 DVD-R's go bad due to very low light level exposure. Bad= batch... thankfully what I lost doesn't matter and I had backups on...= hard drives !

S

On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 = cards though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always fi= gured they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this w= ould definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are c= heap enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use t= hem.
>
> =A0 =A0-Rob
>
> On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
>> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO.
>>
>> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe car= d.
>>
>> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you ba= ck about $2000 and up. =A0Mostly up.
>>
>> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile,= as anybody on a network can access it.
>>
>> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. >>
>> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expen= sive. =A0LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me.
>>
>> You may not need massive storage like I do. =A0I do editing as wel= l as GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media= (hours of footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since t= hey have dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an exter= nal NAS for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average projec= t I'm working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wonder= ing are there any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've h= eard backing up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they ca= n become unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to us= e the cloud merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's inte= rnet access where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit.
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0-Robert
>>>
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