Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285307 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:30:12 +0100 Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f11so4395123qae.10 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:32:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YKVsmm9z2OpfOE5/J/AQm9w9XgXimEiteH/IlYjcbjk=; b=akAiW6FDcjYfQj7PRS0/IaWPNbHN6FFEoTV8nlENwlHsey2T5ZNFTEkdmT+A/EA2sY CJ6d3LALH0wpdUAGmSAS6vCqmzb3GBNUUVuicVpVaQUP4/jqTgEUDyUZ9sC3t5fyv0oz hOR66jygi6QnBA45UzZEuek4mrMDYA4ZgLBc60QQdNJOWlPegjZuHtrSkj+ZShr7ebqo cTgynGFMQQH63UmqJ1sqKmhGmkbbW9yzHNoSCV1ySJB5Q3LhC4JBYqgyjab6T2oOCOHE CaoWlbaoootoItUJCcwSbUSaNBopF5yDTX+EfUX12i4l2dAl3ChoFJF9ls13r8bGm9E1 ZMNA== X-Received: by 10.224.167.131 with SMTP id q3mr56619581qay.41.1384403520677; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:32:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.96.40.131 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:31:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01538692136bfe04eb1b909d --089e01538692136bfe04eb1b909d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Glacier is cheap for a reason. Tried it through an app on my NAS and it's total shit. Zero control over backup. Once you start it you can't stop it, and you can't limit the upstream data rate or even pause the transfer. This equals an unusable connection at normal US data speeds for days at a time. Not feasible. Interface is horrible. You need to know some web coding and deal with Amazon Web Services. Huge pain in the butt. -TG I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with an open hot-swappable SATA enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these days. I use server grade drives for reliability. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Greg Balint wrote: > Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the idea that it could > be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from them if I need > them for a project. > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > > On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwertynski" > wrote: > >> Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a drive >> On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert Houghton" wrote: >> >>> Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards >>> though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured they >>> would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would >>> definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap >>> enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>> >>>> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO. >>>> >>>> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card. >>>> >>>> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back >>>> about $2000 and up. Mostly up. >>>> >>>> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as >>>> anybody on a network can access it. >>>> >>>> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. >>>> >>>> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expensive. >>>> LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me. >>>> >>>> You may not need massive storage like I do. I do editing as well as >>>> GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours of >>>> footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have >>>>> dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS >>>>> for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm >>>>> working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are >>>>> there any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing >>>>> up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become >>>>> unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud >>>>> merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access >>>>> where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit. >>>>> >>>>> -Robert >>>>> >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> -- VFX & Motion Graphic artist NEW - teddygage.com --089e01538692136bfe04eb1b909d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glacier is cheap for a reason. Tried it through an app on = my NAS and it's total shit. Zero control over backup. Once you start it= you can't stop it, and you can't limit the upstream data rate or e= ven pause the transfer. This equals an unusable connection at normal US dat= a speeds for days at a time. Not feasible. Interface is horrible. You need = to know some web coding and deal with Amazon Web Services. Huge pain in the= butt.=A0
-TG

I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with= an open hot-swappable SATA enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these= days. I use server grade drives for reliability.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Greg Ba= lint <delrazoraelist@gmail.com> wrote:

Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the id= ea that it could be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from = them if I need them for a project.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
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On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwertynsk= i" <ale= x@disciplefilms.com> wrote:

Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a driv= e

On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert Houghton&q= uot; <gfxguy74@g= mail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards= though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured= they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would = definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap = enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them.<= br>
=A0 =A0 -Rob

On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO.

Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card.

A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back about = $2000 and up. =A0Mostly up.

The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as anybo= dy on a network can access it.

Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive.

LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expensive. =A0= LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me.

You may not need massive storage like I do. =A0I do editing as well as GFX,= and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours o= f footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives.




On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

=A0 =A0 I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have dro= pped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS for = live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm wo= rking on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are ther= e any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing= up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become unr= eliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud = merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access = where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit.

=A0 =A0 -Robert

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