Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com ([209.85.128.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285417 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:32:41 +0100 Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c14so1461078vea.7 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:34:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=V0hqyEu13a0f8gOMxH0fWjW2gQz9toJipJycQC27DlQ=; b=Asg7yJ43LQo+44Yqw7MlBL61NO7eMOUk8nG06UHcn3ATRQrvH81RSL4Fykpci/acAq aRPLsA5EbLG3XmZQyD2jPZ1G45cqGakDaqLLNv3L8cPii+v26dxe/AQZ5SjgkLTDXrXz 5DJebTMZSU3OE3q6CwfxsWL8TmCe37H9UQ0754tIP09UDd3Nv2eK+FMCa/XAx46pxype Gvq/lwxXXi5gsS4/UkOum5fs9f5pV5K/gqIuLeBd3UcWqOafo8kRFSF7evRINz2ild6s CHmXDWvC8xmH23zPvdCc2TEFGrk+rwYx5o3U7DXogrKZnHglbqPUJB5jbDYEAXHxa82/ xDEA== X-Received: by 10.52.164.80 with SMTP id yo16mr45131vdb.93.1384418069402; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:34:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mrbills@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.168.4 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:34:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: J Bills Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 00:34:09 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: om-ogpUpb8GGlwBAtdmhlZ4rksQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c359a03f5ab304eb1ef3a4 --001a11c359a03f5ab304eb1ef3a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just using cheap drives at the moment - I'm experimenting with refurbs ever since I signed us up for Crashplan. All you can eat cloud backup has me resting easy, and for as much action as those drives see, which is little to none, I figure why spend the extra $. I may eat those words someday but we'll see. I can backup about 30gb per overnight session - sometimes it gets a bit behind but catches up over the weekend and by the time we're offlining files everything is obviously up there. In fact, they never delete anything, so the crashplan archives are often much much bigger than what I offline locally, since I do a cleanup pass. I think they charge $150 for sending a drive, which might be good if you had a few old drives you wanted to get on their system in addition to live backup. I really have nothing but good things to say about them but have only been using them for a couple months and have not had to unfreeze anything substantial yet - I'd actually be welcome to hear a horror story just because it seems too good to be true. I think you want this kind of onsite+offsite redundancy but I do get the Comcast throttling thing. I'm in portland too and haven't noticed them doing that with our business class account. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Glacier is cheap for a reason. Tried it through an app on my NAS and it's > total shit. Zero control over backup. Once you start it you can't stop it, > and you can't limit the upstream data rate or even pause the transfer. This > equals an unusable connection at normal US data speeds for days at a time. > Not feasible. Interface is horrible. You need to know some web coding and > deal with Amazon Web Services. Huge pain in the butt. > -TG > > I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with an open hot-swappable SATA > enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these days. I use server grade > drives for reliability. > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Greg Balint wrote: > >> Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the idea that it could >> be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from them if I need >> them for a project. >> >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/ >> >> On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwertynski" >> wrote: >> >>> Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a drive >>> On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert Houghton" wrote: >>> >>>> Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards >>>> though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured they >>>> would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would >>>> definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap >>>> enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them. >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>>> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO. >>>>> >>>>> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card. >>>>> >>>>> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back >>>>> about $2000 and up. Mostly up. >>>>> >>>>> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as >>>>> anybody on a network can access it. >>>>> >>>>> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. >>>>> >>>>> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most >>>>> expensive. LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me. >>>>> >>>>> You may not need massive storage like I do. I do editing as well as >>>>> GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours of >>>>> footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have >>>>>> dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS >>>>>> for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm >>>>>> working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are >>>>>> there any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing >>>>>> up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become >>>>>> unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud >>>>>> merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access >>>>>> where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> >>> > > > -- > VFX & Motion Graphic artist > NEW - teddygage.com > > --001a11c359a03f5ab304eb1ef3a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just using cheap drives at the moment - I'm exper= imenting with refurbs ever since I signed us up for Crashplan.=A0 All you c= an eat cloud backup has me resting easy, and for as much action as those dr= ives see, which is little to none, I figure why spend the extra $.=A0 I may= eat those words someday but we'll see.

I can backup about 30gb per overnight session - sometimes it gets a bit= behind but catches up over the weekend and by the time we're offlining= files everything is obviously up there. In fact, they never delete anythin= g, so the crashplan archives are often much much bigger than what I offline= locally, since I do a cleanup pass.

I think they charge $150 for sending a drive, which might be= good if you had a few old drives you wanted to get on their system in addi= tion to live backup.=A0 I really have nothing but good things to say about = them but have only been using them for a couple months and have not had to = unfreeze anything substantial yet - I'd actually be welcome to hear a h= orror story just because it seems too good to be true.

I think you want this kind of onsite+offsite redundancy but I do = get the Comcast throttling thing.=A0 I'm in portland too and haven'= t noticed them doing that with our business class account.




On Wed, Nov 1= 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote= :
Glacier is cheap for a reas= on. Tried it through an app on my NAS and it's total shit. Zero control= over backup. Once you start it you can't stop it, and you can't li= mit the upstream data rate or even pause the transfer. This equals an unusa= ble connection at normal US data speeds for days at a time. Not feasible. I= nterface is horrible. You need to know some web coding and deal with Amazon= Web Services. Huge pain in the butt.=A0
-TG

I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with= an open hot-swappable SATA enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these= days. I use server grade drives for reliability.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Gr= eg Balint <delrazoraelist@gmail.com> wrote:

Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the id= ea that it could be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from = them if I need them for a project.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwer= tynski" <alex@disciplefilms.com> wrote:

Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a driv= e

On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert= Houghton" <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards= though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured= they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would = definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap = enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them.<= br>
=A0 =A0 -Rob

On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO.

Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card.

A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back about = $2000 and up. =A0Mostly up.

The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as anybo= dy on a network can access it.

Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive.

LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expensive. =A0= LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me.

You may not need massive storage like I do. =A0I do editing as well as GFX,= and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours o= f footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives.




On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

=A0 =A0 I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have dro= pped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS for = live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm wo= rking on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are ther= e any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing= up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become unr= eliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud = merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access = where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit.

=A0 =A0 -Robert

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