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From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b677c4aed536704eb1f9bb7 --047d7b677c4aed536704eb1f9bb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Discussions like these that make me so happy my area has dirt cheap symerical gigabit speed internet with no cap. The sad part is, I don't think I could move away now that I've experienced it. It alters the way you can do business so much. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Nov 14, 2013 3:36 AM, "J Bills" wrote: > just using cheap drives at the moment - I'm experimenting with refurbs > ever since I signed us up for Crashplan. All you can eat cloud backup has > me resting easy, and for as much action as those drives see, which is > little to none, I figure why spend the extra $. I may eat those words > someday but we'll see. > > I can backup about 30gb per overnight session - sometimes it gets a bit > behind but catches up over the weekend and by the time we're offlining > files everything is obviously up there. In fact, they never delete > anything, so the crashplan archives are often much much bigger than what I > offline locally, since I do a cleanup pass. > > I think they charge $150 for sending a drive, which might be good if you > had a few old drives you wanted to get on their system in addition to live > backup. I really have nothing but good things to say about them but have > only been using them for a couple months and have not had to unfreeze > anything substantial yet - I'd actually be welcome to hear a horror story > just because it seems too good to be true. > > I think you want this kind of onsite+offsite redundancy but I do get the > Comcast throttling thing. I'm in portland too and haven't noticed them > doing that with our business class account. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> Glacier is cheap for a reason. Tried it through an app on my NAS and it's >> total shit. Zero control over backup. Once you start it you can't stop it, >> and you can't limit the upstream data rate or even pause the transfer. This >> equals an unusable connection at normal US data speeds for days at a time. >> Not feasible. Interface is horrible. You need to know some web coding and >> deal with Amazon Web Services. Huge pain in the butt. >> -TG >> >> I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with an open hot-swappable SATA >> enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these days. I use server grade >> drives for reliability. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Greg Balint wrote: >> >>> Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the idea that it could >>> be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from them if I need >>> them for a project. >>> >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/ >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwertynski" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a drive >>>> On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert Houghton" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards >>>>> though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured they >>>>> would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would >>>>> definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap >>>>> enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card. >>>>>> >>>>>> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back >>>>>> about $2000 and up. Mostly up. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as >>>>>> anybody on a network can access it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. >>>>>> >>>>>> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most >>>>>> expensive. LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may not need massive storage like I do. I do editing as well as >>>>>> GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours of >>>>>> footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have >>>>>>> dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS >>>>>>> for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm >>>>>>> working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are >>>>>>> there any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing >>>>>>> up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become >>>>>>> unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud >>>>>>> merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access >>>>>>> where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> VFX & Motion Graphic artist >> NEW - teddygage.com >> >> > --047d7b677c4aed536704eb1f9bb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Discussions like these that make me so happy my area has dir= t cheap symerical gigabit speed internet with no cap.

The sad part is, I don't think I could=A0 move away now = that I've experienced it. It alters the way you can do business so much= .

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Nov 14, 2013 3:36 AM, "J Bills" <= ;jbillsnews@flickfx.com> w= rote:
just using cheap drives at the moment - I'm exper= imenting with refurbs ever since I signed us up for Crashplan.=A0 All you c= an eat cloud backup has me resting easy, and for as much action as those dr= ives see, which is little to none, I figure why spend the extra $.=A0 I may= eat those words someday but we'll see.

I can backup about 30gb per overnight session - sometimes it gets a bit= behind but catches up over the weekend and by the time we're offlining= files everything is obviously up there. In fact, they never delete anythin= g, so the crashplan archives are often much much bigger than what I offline= locally, since I do a cleanup pass.

I think they charge $150 for sending a drive, which might be= good if you had a few old drives you wanted to get on their system in addi= tion to live backup.=A0 I really have nothing but good things to say about = them but have only been using them for a couple months and have not had to = unfreeze anything substantial yet - I'd actually be welcome to hear a h= orror story just because it seems too good to be true.

I think you want this kind of onsite+offsite redundancy but I do = get the Comcast throttling thing.=A0 I'm in portland too and haven'= t noticed them doing that with our business class account.




On Wed, Nov 1= 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote= :
Glacier is cheap for a reas= on. Tried it through an app on my NAS and it's total shit. Zero control= over backup. Once you start it you can't stop it, and you can't li= mit the upstream data rate or even pause the transfer. This equals an unusa= ble connection at normal US data speeds for days at a time. Not feasible. I= nterface is horrible. You need to know some web coding and deal with Amazon= Web Services. Huge pain in the butt.=A0
-TG

I buy 1 TB bare HDDs and back up projects with= an open hot-swappable SATA enclosure. They are close to / under $100 these= days. I use server grade drives for reliability.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Gr= eg Balint <delrazoraelist@gmail.com> wrote:

Glacier looks incredibly cheap, but in don't like the id= ea that it could be 4+ hours before I am allowed to get my files back from = them if I need them for a project.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM, "Alex Czetwer= tynski" <alex@disciplefilms.com> wrote:

Had anybody tried Amazon glacier? I know you can send a driv= e

On Nov 13, 2013 7:09 PM, "Robert= Houghton" <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards= though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured= they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this would = definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays are cheap = enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like to use them.<= br>
=A0 =A0 -Rob

On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO.

Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card.

A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back about = $2000 and up. =A0Mostly up.

The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as anybo= dy on a network can access it.

Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive.

LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most expensive. =A0= LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me.

You may not need massive storage like I do. =A0I do editing as well as GFX,= and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours o= f footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives.




On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

=A0 =A0 I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have dro= pped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external NAS for = live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project I'm wo= rking on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering are ther= e any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard backing= up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can become unr= eliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use the cloud = merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's internet access = where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit.

=A0 =A0 -Robert

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