Return-Path: Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5285715 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:45:12 +0100 Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f11so1038979yha.14 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:46:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:message-id:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; bh=qm7TqrxxnEXtl+fjyKGT1+hNmyI2iysopFJyAcaAX1o=; b=BENd4YlIWFM2MsBE3QGA3FPP2ZlDaub/POuwwloDdyjilhPrl7DTYsO5m6J5p5K21E U44cxweEo4Fiy2qJDwdharj08IAHmcccMjBYc/zqcxKW+oDfmMEbJadGzf8p8oTb8Fhs SpZmzTqN1+aDEpGW3GgwFV+NNj7DHfBBcQnWWqQ/swNc4aExvqZQf3RIgbSm1xXJwkCM xUdIvE002TIzBDdzqbhRHZTsc4tuhvhPf2asfxZkgoZpNjQIvLzb8OmgIe0qN+4DMnPq Rw8mS7lKBQCNLzVnjXBC8WyLwl5Xm4vXvWnapjTlm11om9QOfb7HpP0q/sJrWjBw6qZI R2pg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkwJplL3GK4WwXgSB1BoQiZsvUMkgTPCdKZSEGNK4aJ+36M1kWe+PRnRZGQpbChVZX55QRw X-Received: by 10.236.160.199 with SMTP id u47mr153203yhk.174.1384440418657; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:46:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from 66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net (66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net. [66.49.40.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g25sm65055248yhg.6.2013.11.14.06.46.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: Benny Christensen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_52566AF7-E5F0-4B8A-AEC4-A26AE99DBD53" Message-Id: <7152CFAE-EB5E-4900-A371-2EFB7C20BB0A@producersplayhouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:46:55 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) --Apple-Mail=_52566AF7-E5F0-4B8A-AEC4-A26AE99DBD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 There was a Thunderbolt LTO6 drive announced recently. USB3 would plenty = fast enough for me though. And 2.5TB per tape for about $80US is the = best price per GB once you amortize the drive. The big deal is the NTFS file system which means that the tapes = essentially mount and act like a hard drive. Benny Christensen Producers Playhouse Oklahoma City Facebook "You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead" - Stan Laurel On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Robert Houghton wrote: > Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required SAS-2 cards = though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I always figured = they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something like this = would definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The bluerays = are cheap enough to toss out as a value added thing which is why I like = to use them. >=20 > -Rob >=20 > On 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >> IMO, the best value that's also reliable is LTO. >>=20 >> Last time I researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card. >>=20 >> A SAS HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back = about $2000 and up. Mostly up. >>=20 >> The ethernet LTO drives were around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as = anybody on a network can access it. >>=20 >> Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and archive. >>=20 >> LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the most = expensive. LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for me. >>=20 >> You may not need massive storage like I do. I do editing as well as = GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' card media (hours of = footage) that comes in on flash and rugged drives. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton = wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi all, >>>=20 >>> I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they have = dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an external = NAS for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the average project = I'm working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit I was wondering = are there any other cost effective backup methods out there? I've heard = backing up to hard drives is an option but I've also heard they can = become unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm hesitant to use = the cloud merely because of the huge file transfers on Comcast's = internet access where they hit you with a 250GB usage limit. >>>=20 >>> -Robert >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_52566AF7-E5F0-4B8A-AEC4-A26AE99DBD53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 There = was a Thunderbolt LTO6 drive announced recently. USB3 would plenty fast = enough for me though. And 2.5TB per tape for about $80US is the best = price per GB once you amortize the drive.

The big = deal is the NTFS file system which means that the tapes essentially = mount and act like a hard drive.


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On Nov 13, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Robert Houghton <gfxguy74@gmail.com> = wrote:

Ahh yes. I've heard of LTO, I didn't know they required = SAS-2 cards though if you didn't want to run it through ethernet. I = always figured they would have a USB 2 version somehow. Buying something = like this would definitely have to be a cost to the client I think. The = bluerays are cheap enough to toss out as a value added thing which is = why I like to use them.

   -Rob

On = 11/13/2013 3:20 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
IMO, = the best value that's also reliable is LTO.

Last time I = researched it, the cheapest systems require a PCIe card.

A SAS = HBA PCI card, LTO5 drive, software and cable will set you back about = $2000 and up.  Mostly up.

The ethernet LTO drives were = around $4-5K, and are more versatile, as anybody on a network can access = it.

Clouds are too slow for me for project restoration and = archive.

LTO6 is the current version, but the current rev is the = most expensive.  LTO5 is plenty fast and big enough for = me.

You may not need massive storage like I do.  I do = editing as well as GFX, and I'm the de facto archivist for my clients' = card media (hours of footage) that comes in on flash and rugged = drives.




On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Robert Houghton = <gfxguy74@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi all,

=    I've been currently using BD-Rom for backup since they = have dropped below $1 a disc for cost for non-live storage and an = external NAS for live backups (less than 6 months old). Since the = average project I'm working on is beginning to get beyond the 25GB limit = I was wondering are there any other cost effective backup methods out = there? I've heard backing up to hard drives is an option but I've also = heard they can become unreliable after being dormant for a while. I'm = hesitant to use the cloud merely because of the huge file transfers on = Comcast's internet access where they hit you with a 250GB usage = limit.

   -Robert

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