Return-Path: Received: from atl4mhob15.myregisteredsite.com ([209.17.115.53] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5285737 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:01:55 +0100 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.203]) by atl4mhob15.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAEF3hgm019331 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:03:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 28293 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2013 15:03:43 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 24.73.238.28 X-Authenticated-UID: dsd@darkskydigital.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (dsd@darkskydigital.com@24.73.238.28) by 0 with ESMTPA; 14 Nov 2013 15:03:43 -0000 From: Dann Stubbs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-60-259813095 Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:03:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-60-259813095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii greg's domain is listed in houston tx, sad i looked too. i'd consider moving for better speeds as well. and to think that 20 or so years ago i was in the "test" area for time = warner and the new technologies and we had unheard of speeds for back = then... (cant' recall what they were exactly but this was in the era = when most still used dial up) over the years i've had all types of backup fail. multiple formats of = tapes over the years that were corrupted written wrong by an unknown bug = in retrospect, or tapes that get munged up (like the old cassette tapes = would) and need hand winding - had many different tape technologies and = none were perfect or lasted forever either. cd/dvd's that despite being in a massive fireproof safe (pitch black = too) they developed read issues as the dyes aged and some files would be = corrupted (thankfully i always burned 2 of every cd/dvd) that reduced = the odds of the disc having the exact same sector go bad after a few = years - so would load get a complete set and then burn back to new media = - annoying and time consuming. had hard drives in storage that developed the head stick - sometimes = slamming them down onto a carpeted floor flat side down would unstick = the head, also could put them in a freezer to try to get the head free = (just wait for them to warm a bit before plugging them in) yes these = were all sanctioned remedies back then. RAID 5 setups that would lose a drive, usually all rebuilt fine (though = takes hours if not days to do on large sets) but after a few years some = of these raids needed the EXACT same drive size/module and they were not = made anymore, so that was expensive to start over, i think our next = raids were able to use any drive as long as larger size - but made for = expensive paperweights as the years ticked on. also the scariest thing was those very rare times when you had to power = down the raid - they always stayed on, and 95% of drive failures where = when you powered down for a firmware upgrade, electrical power = maintenance, PS die, or something else unavoidable (like a massive = hurricane and days without power) and upon turning them on is typically = when a drive would not come up - fearing that one day fate would have = two fail at once and there goes your whole raid 5 bye, bye. so we = started using the older raids as backups of the newer raid 5's but it = made for a huge footprint and lots of power/space to keep this all now. = of course in the days of 6TB drives like now that seems easier but file = sizes just keep ballooning so it's really no gain in size/space. it's pretty frustrating that apple never committed to blueray, i'd feel = better with that if it was. but still if it is a disc and important it = is double burned - just safer to have two copies but then i still keep data on drives too, just safer to have anything = that important on multiple locations, we too have paid multi-thousands = for drive recovery and having some discs and drives in a fireproof safe = is far cheaper, but very annoying for sure. seems no perfect world for backup - the current trend of "cloud" i do = not like. just wait until some cloud service has a massive blackout, = crash, or goes under and see how good it will be. just not my cup of = tea at all. i still look around for one perfect solution, nothing yet. dann ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Allen Ellis wrote: > Where do you live Greg? Maybe we'll move ;) >=20 > In our building in Orlando we're stuck with an AT&T connection that = gives us 900Kbps up, so any significant files simply cannot be sent over = the cloud. Installing 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to tear up the sidewalk = + $1,200/mo >=20 > At my house I get 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large deliverables = due to the client sometimes I take them hone or go to the library which = has 100Mb symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages! >=20 > We have 9TB online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite to an = identical device. Anything older than 6 months goes to an external drive = sorted by client. >=20 > I'm terrified someone will drop a client's drive walking back and = forth with one of these cheap externals. All together we have about 30TB = stored, and to get a NAS that large (plus a second to mirror it) would = cost something like $20-40k. So for now we're just buying externals as = needed and holding our breath... >=20 --Apple-Mail-60-259813095 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

over the years i've had all types of backup = fail. multiple formats of tapes over the years that were corrupted = written wrong by an unknown bug in retrospect, or tapes that get munged = up (like the old cassette tapes would) and need hand winding - had many = different tape technologies and none were perfect or lasted forever = either.

cd/dvd's that despite being in a = massive fireproof safe (pitch black too) they developed read issues as = the dyes aged and some files would be corrupted (thankfully i always = burned 2 of every cd/dvd) that reduced the odds of the disc having the = exact same sector go bad after a few years - so would load get a = complete set and then burn back to new media - annoying and time = consuming.

had hard drives in storage that = developed the head stick - sometimes slamming them down onto a carpeted = floor flat side down would unstick the head, also could put them in a = freezer to try to get the head free (just wait for them to warm a bit = before plugging them in) yes these were all sanctioned remedies back = then.

RAID 5 setups that would lose a drive, = usually all rebuilt fine (though takes hours if not days to do on large = sets) but after a few years some of these raids needed the EXACT same = drive size/module and they were not made anymore, so that was expensive = to start over, i think our next raids were able to use any drive as long = as larger size - but made for expensive paperweights as the years ticked = on.

also the scariest thing was those very rare = times when you had to power down the raid - they always stayed on, and = 95% of drive failures where when you powered down for a firmware = upgrade, electrical power maintenance, PS die, or something else = unavoidable (like a massive hurricane and days without power) and upon = turning them on is typically when a drive would not come up - fearing = that one day fate would have two fail at once and there goes your whole = raid 5 bye, bye. so we started using the older raids as backups of the = newer raid 5's but it made for a huge footprint and lots of power/space = to keep this all now. of course in the days of 6TB drives like now that = seems easier but file sizes just keep ballooning so it's really no gain = in size/space.

it's pretty frustrating that = apple never committed to blueray, i'd feel better with that if it was. = but still if it is a disc and important it is double burned - just safer = to have two copies

but then i still keep data = on drives too, just safer to have anything that important on multiple = locations, we too have paid multi-thousands for drive recovery and = having some discs and drives in a fireproof safe is far cheaper, but = very annoying for sure.

seems no perfect world = for backup - the current trend of "cloud" i do not like. just wait until = some cloud service has a massive blackout, crash, or goes under and see = how good it will be. just not my cup of  tea at = all.

i still look around for one perfect = solution, nothing yet.

dann

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Allen Ellis wrote:

Where do you live Greg? Maybe we'll move ;)

In our building in Orlando we're stuck with an AT&T = connection that gives us 900Kbps up, so any significant files simply = cannot be sent over the cloud. Installing 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to = tear up the sidewalk + $1,200/mo

At my house I get = 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large deliverables due to the client = sometimes I take them hone or go to the library which has 100Mb = symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages!

We have 9TB = online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite to an identical device. = Anything older than 6 months goes to an external drive sorted by = client.

I'm terrified someone will drop a client's = drive walking back and forth with one of these cheap externals. All = together we have about 30TB stored, and to get a NAS that large (plus a = second to mirror it) would cost something like $20-40k. So for now we're = just buying externals as needed and holding our breath...


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