Return-Path: Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp005.mac.com ([17.158.161.4] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5288957 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:51:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-152-153-100.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.153.100]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWH00BKE0CEAR40@nk11p00mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:53:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-18_02:2013-11-18,2013-11-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311180123 From: Jim Curtis Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4BE5AC65-04C1-48D6-9E9E-139828360517" Message-id: <70057695-B6C1-48CF-84FE-73CEE721C46A@me.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Non cloud backup solutions for solo freelancers? Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:53:02 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) --Apple-Mail=_4BE5AC65-04C1-48D6-9E9E-139828360517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My LTO5 is remarkably faster than my LTO4 was. Restores that used to = take an hour now take minutes. I also switched brands from Quantum to = HP. I don't know if that was significant. The spec on LTO has them = getting faster as they increment upwards. A "manager" or database is built into most off-the-shelf backup = software. I use BRU PE, which Tolis claimed was made for video = producers. With it, I can restore any single file on a tape; don't have = to restore entire folders or tape contents. On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Byron Nash wrote: > We are using LTO here. The tapes are supposed to last a long time and = we have only had one become unusable because it was dropped off a high = shelf and broke open. I would recommend the kind of LTO that is = mountable via FTP or direct access. Right now, we have a LTO-5 setup = that uses a proprietary interface. This limits access to whichever = station it is on. Our 1st gen of LTO was LTO-3 and we could get to it = from any desktop via a ftp client. Although you still had to go put the = correct tape in. My biggest challenges with LTO are: > It's slow. Not to copy once it gets going, but to find which tape I = need, find the tape, then wait for it to spin up, etc.. > You can't just pop the tape in to see what's on it with our = proprietary system. A manager is required to keep track of the contents.=20= > Without spending thousands more for a double bay drive, we haven't = found an easy way to create duplicate copies of the tapes. What we do = now is cumbersome.=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Teddy Gage = wrote: > I hate you. >=20 > On Nov 14, 2013 10:30 AM, "Greg Balint" = wrote: > Let me know if / when you are interested in Chattanooga. I'll give you = some insight to areas that might be good for you. >=20 > Fyi, the gigabit pricing is only for residential addresses. I think = business addresses are more like $350/month, difference being they think = businesses will use more bandwidth. That may have changed with their = recent push for everyone having gigabit, though. >=20 > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > =20 >=20 > On Nov 14, 2013 10:19 AM, "Dann Stubbs" = wrote: > those are fantastic speeds, the only option for fiber here is that = same 20-30K install and then a couple thousands a month bill - too much. >=20 > i looked at your site for any location info but did not find any so = uses whois which is where it showed tx >=20 > tx would be fine but we've actually been looking in TN on and off for = a few years for something that looked nice - will have to look in that = area now too. >=20 > thanks for the link, i will keep that one on my radar. >=20 > dann > ___________________________________________________________________ >=20 > Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com > Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >=20 > http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm > ___________________________________________________________________ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >=20 >> Allen, >>=20 >> I live in Chattanooga,Tennessee. Oddly enough, our power company here = ran fiber all across its user area. So anywhere you can get EPB Power = service, you can get 1Gb up/down internet. >>=20 >> Had to go buy a new router just to handle the throughput. it's crazy = fast though.. I get about 935Mbps down and 918Mbps up on Speedtest.net >>=20 >> They also do TV and phone, although we only have TV and Internet with = them. My TV portion of the bill is actually more expensive than the = internet portion. >>=20 >> Here's their site if you want more info. >>=20 >> https://epbfi.com/internet/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The really cool thing.. when we first moved here 2 years ago.. I = bought in to the 100Mb package.. they had 30, 100, 350 and 1gb i think.. = =20 >>=20 >> The 100Mb was around $115 per month, and I was happy as a clam... = Then the next year they said "Happy birthday to us! anyone with 100Mb = now has 200Mb, and anyone with 30 now has 50!" >>=20 >> Everyone was pretty happy with that.. >> Then this year, they had another birthday announcement..=20 >>=20 >> "Ok.. anyone who has 100mbps or higher, at this moment now has our = 1Gbps plan... and it'll only be $69.99.." >>=20 >> So along with a SUPER speed increase for free.. they lowered my bill = by about 45 dollars per month... >>=20 >> I still can't believe it really.. There's no "cap" to anything, and = they have specific terms in their contract that state that they do not = monitor your usage or "shape" any traffic, etc. >>=20 >> It's been rock solid for 2+ years without a single down-time, or slow = downs at all..=20 >>=20 >> To keep this on topic some >>=20 >> Dropbox can upload a 4GB file in around a minute or two.. (across = country to California servers) I get about 35-45MBps uploads to DropBox = consistently.. (this connection tops out at about 128MBps, that's = MegaBYTES, not MegaBITS) basically before I can even check, my file is = already live on their servers and able to share off to a client or = colleague. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I've actually gone to a friend's house.. used his gigabit connection = to remote connect into my computer and do After Effects work on it as if = there's no remote connection at all.. it just ran like I was hooked up = to my PC at home..=20 >>=20 >> Anyway.. I guess that's the long rant of it.. If anyone has any = specific questions about service with them or any other tests they'd = like me to do, let me know off-list and I'll get back to you. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/ >> =20 >>=20 >> On Nov 14, 2013 8:19 AM, "Allen Ellis" wrote: >> Where do you live Greg? Maybe we'll move ;) >>=20 >> In our building in Orlando we're stuck with an AT&T connection that = gives us 900Kbps up, so any significant files simply cannot be sent over = the cloud. Installing 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to tear up the sidewalk = + $1,200/mo >>=20 >> At my house I get 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large deliverables = due to the client sometimes I take them hone or go to the library which = has 100Mb symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages! >>=20 >> We have 9TB online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite to an = identical device. Anything older than 6 months goes to an external drive = sorted by client. >>=20 >> I'm terrified someone will drop a client's drive walking back and = forth with one of these cheap externals. All together we have about 30TB = stored, and to get a NAS that large (plus a second to mirror it) would = cost something like $20-40k. So for now we're just buying externals as = needed and holding our breath... >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_4BE5AC65-04C1-48D6-9E9E-139828360517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 My = LTO5 is remarkably faster than my LTO4 was.  Restores that used to = take an hour now take minutes.  I also switched brands from Quantum = to HP.  I don't know if that was significant.  The spec on LTO = has them getting faster as they increment = upwards.

A "manager" or database is built into = most off-the-shelf backup software.  I use BRU PE, which Tolis = claimed was made for video producers. With it, I can restore any single = file on a tape; don't have to restore entire folders or tape = contents.



On Nov = 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Byron Nash <byronnash@gmail.com> = wrote:

We are using LTO here. The tapes are = supposed to last a long time and we have only had one become unusable = because it was dropped off a high shelf and broke open. I would = recommend the kind of LTO that is mountable via FTP or direct access. = Right now, we have a LTO-5 setup that uses a proprietary interface. This = limits access to whichever station it is on. Our 1st gen of LTO was = LTO-3 and we could get to it from any desktop via a ftp client. Although = you still had to go put the correct tape in. My biggest challenges with = LTO are:
  • It's slow. Not to copy once it gets going, but to find which = tape I need, find the tape, then wait for it to spin up, = etc..
  • You can't just pop the tape in to see what's on it = with our proprietary system. A manager is required to keep track of the = contents. 
  • Without spending thousands more for a double bay drive, we haven't = found an easy way to create duplicate copies of the tapes. What we do = now is cumbersome. 


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> = wrote:

I hate = you.

On Nov 14, 2013 10:30 AM, "Greg Balint" = <delrazoraelist@gmail.com> wrote:

Let = me know if / when you are interested in Chattanooga. I'll give you some = insight to areas that might be good for you.

Fyi, the = gigabit pricing is only for residential addresses. I think business = addresses are more like $350/month, difference being they think = businesses will use more bandwidth. That may have changed with their = recent push for everyone having gigabit, though.

///Greg= Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
   

On Nov 14, 2013 10:19 AM, "Dann Stubbs" = <dann@darkskydigital.com> wrote:
those are fantastic speeds, the only = option for fiber here is that same 20-30K install and then a couple = thousands a month bill - too much.

i looked at = your site for any location info but did not find any so uses whois which = is where it showed tx

tx would be fine but we've actually been looking in = TN on and off for a few years for something that looked nice - will have = to look in that area now too.

thanks for the = link, i will keep that one on my radar.

dann
= ___________________________________________________________________
<= div = style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px= ;min-height:14px">
Dann Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital -  http://www.darkskydigital.com

http://www.RenderKing.com  Value Priced = C4D, VRAY Render Farm
___________________________________________________________________


On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Greg Balint = wrote:

Allen,

I live in Chattanooga,Tennessee. = Oddly enough, our power company here ran fiber all across its user area. = So anywhere you can get EPB Power service, you can get 1Gb up/down = internet.

Had to go buy a new router just to handle = the throughput.  it's crazy fast though.. I get about 935Mbps down = and 918Mbps up on Speedtest.net

They also do TV and phone, although we only have TV and Internet with = them. My TV portion of the bill is actually more expensive than the = internet portion.

Here's their site if you want more = info.

https://epbfi.com/internet/


The really cool thing.. when we first moved here = 2 years ago.. I bought in to the 100Mb package.. they had 30, 100, 350 = and 1gb i think..   

The 100Mb was around $115 per = month, and I was happy as a clam...  Then the next year they said = "Happy birthday to us! anyone with 100Mb now has 200Mb, and anyone with = 30 now has 50!"

Everyone was pretty happy with that..
Then this year, they had another birthday = announcement.. 

"Ok.. anyone who has 100mbps or higher, at = this moment now has our 1Gbps plan... and it'll only be = $69.99.."

So along with a SUPER speed increase for free.. they = lowered my bill by about 45 dollars per month...

I still can't believe it really.. There's no "cap" to anything, and = they have specific terms in their contract that state that they do not = monitor your usage or "shape" any traffic, etc.

It's been rock = solid for 2+ years without a single down-time, or slow downs at = all.. 

To keep this on topic some

Dropbox can upload a = 4GB file in around a minute or two.. (across country to California = servers)  I get about 35-45MBps uploads to DropBox consistently.. = (this connection tops out at about 128MBps, that's MegaBYTES, not = MegaBITS) basically before I can even check, my file is already live on = their servers and able to share off to a client or = colleague.


I've actually gone to a friend's house.. = used his gigabit connection to remote connect into my computer and do = After Effects work on it as if there's no remote connection at all.. it = just ran like I was hooked up to my PC at home.. 

Anyway.. I = guess that's the long rant of it..  If anyone has any specific = questions about service with them or any other tests they'd like me to = do, let me know off-list and I'll get back to you.





///Greg = Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
   

On Nov 14, 2013 8:19 AM, "Allen Ellis" <allen.ellis@gmail.com> wrote:

Where do you live Greg? = Maybe we'll move ;)

In our building in Orlando we're = stuck with an AT&T connection that gives us 900Kbps up, so any = significant files simply cannot be sent over the cloud. Installing = 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to tear up the sidewalk + $1,200/mo

At my house I get 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large = deliverables due to the client sometimes I take them hone or go to the = library which has 100Mb symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages!

We have 9TB online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite = to an identical device. Anything older than 6 months goes to an external = drive sorted by client.

I'm terrified someone will = drop a client's drive walking back and forth with one of these cheap = externals. All together we have about 30TB stored, and to get a NAS that = large (plus a second to mirror it) would cost something like $20-40k. So = for now we're just buying externals as needed and holding our = breath...




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