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To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149406e3199fb04eb77befb --089e0149406e3199fb04eb77befb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, we are on BRU. I really don't like it though. The actual transfer speeds are good with LTO, it just takes a long time to get to that point. Also, I don't feel like it's crazy fast when bringing image sequences in. It absolutely blazes with large video files though. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > My LTO5 is remarkably faster than my LTO4 was. Restores that used to take > an hour now take minutes. I also switched brands from Quantum to HP. I > don't know if that was significant. The spec on LTO has them getting > faster as they increment upwards. > > A "manager" or database is built into most off-the-shelf backup software. > I use BRU PE, which Tolis claimed was made for video producers. With it, I > can restore any single file on a tape; don't have to restore entire folders > or tape contents. > > > > On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Byron Nash wrote: > > We are using LTO here. The tapes are supposed to last a long time and we > have only had one become unusable because it was dropped off a high shelf > and broke open. I would recommend the kind of LTO that is mountable via FTP > or direct access. Right now, we have a LTO-5 setup that uses a proprietary > interface. This limits access to whichever station it is on. Our 1st gen of > LTO was LTO-3 and we could get to it from any desktop via a ftp client. > Although you still had to go put the correct tape in. My biggest challenges > with LTO are: > > - It's slow. Not to copy once it gets going, but to find which tape I > need, find the tape, then wait for it to spin up, etc.. > - You can't just pop the tape in to see what's on it with our > proprietary system. A manager is required to keep track of the contents. > - Without spending thousands more for a double bay drive, we haven't > found an easy way to create duplicate copies of the tapes. What we do now > is cumbersome. > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > >> I hate you. >> On Nov 14, 2013 10:30 AM, "Greg Balint" wrote: >> >>> Let me know if / when you are interested in Chattanooga. I'll give you >>> some insight to areas that might be good for you. >>> >>> Fyi, the gigabit pricing is only for residential addresses. I think >>> business addresses are more like $350/month, difference being they think >>> businesses will use more bandwidth. That may have changed with their recent >>> push for everyone having gigabit, though. >>> >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/ >>> >>> On Nov 14, 2013 10:19 AM, "Dann Stubbs" wrote: >>> >>>> those are fantastic speeds, the only option for fiber here is that same >>>> 20-30K install and then a couple thousands a month bill - too much. >>>> >>>> i looked at your site for any location info but did not find any so >>>> uses whois which is where it showed tx >>>> >>>> tx would be fine but we've actually been looking in TN on and off for a >>>> few years for something that looked nice - will have to look in that area >>>> now too. >>>> >>>> thanks for the link, i will keep that one on my radar. >>>> >>>> dann >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >>>> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >>>> >>>> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced >>>> C4D, VRAY Render Farm >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >>>> >>>> Allen, >>>> >>>> I live in Chattanooga,Tennessee. Oddly enough, our power company here >>>> ran fiber all across its user area. So anywhere you can get EPB Power >>>> service, you can get 1Gb up/down internet. >>>> >>>> Had to go buy a new router just to handle the throughput. it's crazy >>>> fast though.. I get about 935Mbps down and 918Mbps up on Speedtest.net >>>> >>>> They also do TV and phone, although we only have TV and Internet with >>>> them. My TV portion of the bill is actually more expensive than the >>>> internet portion. >>>> >>>> Here's their site if you want more info. >>>> >>>> https://epbfi.com/internet/ >>>> >>>> >>>> The really cool thing.. when we first moved here 2 years ago.. I bought >>>> in to the 100Mb package.. they had 30, 100, 350 and 1gb i think.. >>>> >>>> The 100Mb was around $115 per month, and I was happy as a clam... Then >>>> the next year they said "Happy birthday to us! anyone with 100Mb now has >>>> 200Mb, and anyone with 30 now has 50!" >>>> >>>> Everyone was pretty happy with that.. >>>> Then this year, they had another birthday announcement.. >>>> >>>> "Ok.. anyone who has 100mbps or higher, at this moment now has our >>>> 1Gbps plan... and it'll only be $69.99.." >>>> >>>> So along with a SUPER speed increase for free.. they lowered my bill by >>>> about 45 dollars per month... >>>> >>>> I still can't believe it really.. There's no "cap" to anything, and >>>> they have specific terms in their contract that state that they do not >>>> monitor your usage or "shape" any traffic, etc. >>>> >>>> It's been rock solid for 2+ years without a single down-time, or slow >>>> downs at all.. >>>> >>>> To keep this on topic some >>>> >>>> Dropbox can upload a 4GB file in around a minute or two.. (across >>>> country to California servers) I get about 35-45MBps uploads to DropBox >>>> consistently.. (this connection tops out at about 128MBps, that's >>>> MegaBYTES, not MegaBITS) basically before I can even check, my file is >>>> already live on their servers and able to share off to a client or >>>> colleague. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've actually gone to a friend's house.. used his gigabit connection to >>>> remote connect into my computer and do After Effects work on it as if >>>> there's no remote connection at all.. it just ran like I was hooked up to >>>> my PC at home.. >>>> >>>> Anyway.. I guess that's the long rant of it.. If anyone has any >>>> specific questions about service with them or any other tests they'd like >>>> me to do, let me know off-list and I'll get back to you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ///Greg Balint >>>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>>> /321.514.4839 >>>> delRAZOR.com/ >>>> >>>> On Nov 14, 2013 8:19 AM, "Allen Ellis" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where do you live Greg? Maybe we'll move ;) >>>>> >>>>> In our building in Orlando we're stuck with an AT&T connection that >>>>> gives us 900Kbps up, so any significant files simply cannot be sent over >>>>> the cloud. Installing 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to tear up the sidewalk + >>>>> $1,200/mo >>>>> >>>>> At my house I get 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large deliverables >>>>> due to the client sometimes I take them hone or go to the library which has >>>>> 100Mb symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages! >>>>> >>>>> We have 9TB online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite to an >>>>> identical device. Anything older than 6 months goes to an external drive >>>>> sorted by client. >>>>> >>>>> I'm terrified someone will drop a client's drive walking back and >>>>> forth with one of these cheap externals. All together we have about 30TB >>>>> stored, and to get a NAS that large (plus a second to mirror it) would cost >>>>> something like $20-40k. So for now we're just buying externals as needed >>>>> and holding our breath... >>>>> >>>> >>>> > > --089e0149406e3199fb04eb77befb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, we are on BRU. I really don't like it though. Th= e actual transfer speeds are good with LTO, it just takes a long time to ge= t to that point. Also, I don't feel like it's crazy fast when bring= ing image sequences in. It absolutely blazes with large video files though.= =A0


On Mon, Nov 1= 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
My LTO5 is remarkably faster than my LT= O4 was. =A0Restores that used to take an hour now take minutes. =A0I also s= witched brands from Quantum to HP. =A0I don't know if that was signific= ant. =A0The spec on LTO has them getting faster as they increment upwards.<= div>
A "manager" or database is built into most of= f-the-shelf backup software. =A0I use BRU PE, which Tolis claimed was made = for video producers. With it, I can restore any single file on a tape; don&= #39;t have to restore entire folders or tape contents.



On = Nov 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Byron Nash <byronnash@gmail.com> wrote:

We are using LTO here. The tapes are supposed to last a lo= ng time and we have only had one become unusable because it was dropped off= a high shelf and broke open. I would recommend the kind of LTO that is mou= ntable via FTP or direct access. Right now, we have a LTO-5 setup that uses= a proprietary interface. This limits access to whichever station it is on.= Our 1st gen of LTO was LTO-3 and we could get to it from any desktop via a= ftp client. Although you still had to go put the correct tape in. My bigge= st challenges with LTO are:
  • It's slow. Not to copy once it gets going, but to find which ta= pe I need, find the tape, then wait for it to spin up, etc..
  • Yo= u can't just pop the tape in to see what's on it with our proprieta= ry system. A manager is required to keep track of the contents.=A0
  • Without spending thousands more for a double bay drive, we haven't = found an easy way to create duplicate copies of the tapes. What we do now i= s cumbersome.=A0


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

I hate you.

On Nov 14, 2013 10:30 AM, "Greg Balint"= ; <delrazo= raelist@gmail.com> wrote:

Let me know if / when you are interested in Chattanooga. I&#= 39;ll give you some insight to areas that might be good for you.

Fyi, the gigabit pricing is only for residential addresses. I thin= k business addresses are more like $350/month, difference being they think = businesses will use more bandwidth. That may have changed with their recent= push for everyone having gigabit, though.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Nov 14, 2013 10:19 AM, "Dann Stubbs"= ; <dann@dar= kskydigital.com> wrote:
those are fantastic speeds, the only op= tion for fiber here is that same 20-30K install and then a couple thousands= a month bill - too much.

i looked at your site for = any location info but did not find any so uses whois which is where it show= ed tx

tx would be fine but we've actually been looking in= TN on and off for a few years for something that looked nice - will have t= o look in that area now too.

thanks for the link, = i will keep that one on my radar.

dann
___________________________________________________________________

Dann Stubbs=A0=A0-=A0=A0dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital -=A0=A0= http://www.dar= kskydigital.com

http://www.RenderKing.com=A0=A0Value Priced C4D, VR= AY Render Farm
___________________________________________________________________


On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

Allen,

I live in Chattanooga,Tennessee. Oddly enough, our power company here = ran fiber all across its user area. So anywhere you can get EPB Power servi= ce, you can get 1Gb up/down internet.

Had to go buy a new router just to handle the throughput. = =A0it's crazy fast though.. I get about 935Mbps down and 918Mbps up on = Speedtest.net

They also do TV and phone, although we only have TV and Internet with them.= My TV portion of the bill is actually more expensive than the internet por= tion.

Here's their site if you want more info.

ht= tps://epbfi.com/internet/


The really c= ool thing.. when we first moved here 2 years ago.. I bought in to the 100Mb= package.. they had 30, 100, 350 and 1gb i think.. =A0=A0

The 100Mb was around $115 per month, and I was happy as a clam... =A0The= n the next year they said "Happy birthday to us! anyone with 100Mb now= has 200Mb, and anyone with 30 now has 50!"

Everyone was pretty = happy with that..
Then this year, they had another birthday announcement..=A0

"Ok.= . anyone who has 100mbps or higher, at this moment now has our 1Gbps plan..= . and it'll only be $69.99.."

So along with a SUPER spee= d increase for free.. they lowered my bill by about 45 dollars per month...=

I still can't believe it really.. There's no "cap" to= anything, and they have specific terms in their contract that state that t= hey do not monitor your usage or "shape" any traffic, etc.

It's been rock solid for 2+ years without a single down-time, or slo= w downs at all..=A0

To keep this on topic some

Dropbox can uplo= ad a 4GB file in around a minute or two.. (across country to California ser= vers) =A0I get about 35-45MBps uploads to DropBox consistently.. (this conn= ection tops out at about 128MBps, that's MegaBYTES, not MegaBITS) basic= ally before I can even check, my file is already live on their servers and = able to share off to a client or colleague.


I've actually gone to a friend's house.. used his gig= abit connection to remote connect into my computer and do After Effects wor= k on it as if there's no remote connection at all.. it just ran like I = was hooked up to my PC at home..=A0

Anyway.. I guess that's the long rant of it.. =A0If anyone has any s= pecific questions about service with them or any other tests they'd lik= e me to do, let me know off-list and I'll get back to you.





///Greg Bal= int
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
=A0=A0=A0

On Nov 14, 2013 8:19 AM, "Allen Ellis"= <allen.= ellis@gmail.com> wrote:

Where do you live Greg? Maybe we'll mov= e ;)

In our building in Orlando we're stuck with an AT&T = connection that gives us 900Kbps up, so any significant files simply cannot= be sent over the cloud. Installing 15Mbps fiber requires $30k to tear up t= he sidewalk + $1,200/mo

At my house I get 90/10 for $100/mo. When we have large deli= verables due to the client sometimes I take them hone or go to the library = which has 100Mb symmetrical. Feels like the dark ages!

We= have 9TB online with a ReadyNAS, backed up nightly onsite to an identical = device. Anything older than 6 months goes to an external drive sorted by cl= ient.

I'm terrified someone will drop a client's drive wal= king back and forth with one of these cheap externals. All together we have= about 30TB stored, and to get a NAS that large (plus a second to mirror it= ) would cost something like $20-40k. So for now we're just buying exter= nals as needed and holding our breath...




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