Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f169.google.com ([209.85.128.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 5298954 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:43:38 +0100 Received: by mail-ve0-f169.google.com with SMTP id c14so5204690vea.28 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:45:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jrt0RmmkcGMSuHhQJsKbputxl2Ng6UumttXugjf0JNA=; b=e8cmmXa34NxpdFGZIDs2mai5R+g+pmDeGbu2D0ysw2ff7ACS29zORdmqr8OzKKd3Yo kcSNiN0+BsZcMSq7D5scQMg6RklKBYqu2lcpFmBash1OLqpk2Gkkn0daYo74RDEu+5Ve SiVTkucjjLTtmdPHgTiJAEXqK1C15opcxps74U83eOD3KkmbdRTxKJ68I2z7xG9+TisF QTS+ZahxGChhmM/4EwSK2Mo/jbgpf9YPhgrWBNVhPFN7Jv95haaP3MSER+PpiPJcIzIx t3YgrSwDyTUJFPcXji+E+F6NFg5zLaI6r9CCuOBoSP2WgJsj5ums++4lPeGOsUllfed+ M8Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnNQbTApI889VtaBPvl1mcc4ETiNHmgDpbuqxY0TwnR72u9xKUG58hEbXZPSEgZ5drEKHFx X-Received: by 10.52.168.106 with SMTP id zv10mr28814844vdb.21.1385552752654; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:45:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.45.66 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:45:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:45:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Who uses the "region of interest" feature in After Effects? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01634780a3cff504ec272338 --089e01634780a3cff504ec272338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Like most others here, i almost exclusively use it as a crop tool, a very hard to use precisely croptool, but that could be fixed by the suggestion by Rob B about crop to layer/mask And as J Bills mentions i have also never found any use for it to speed up a rampreview, but to fix that i guess needs a heavy reachitechturing of the way the AE render-engine is working. I used it more in the old days to save ram when i worked in HD+ on a machine with 16GB or below, but that is luckily not very often happening anymore, but might get a use again with the 4K project that are slowly beginning to come in. :-) Robert 2013/11/27 J Bills > I would love to rant on the ROI tool a bit... because it's never worked > for me? > > In my experience, it doesn't behave like a true ROI tool should - meaning, > if I draw an ROI, I would expect AE to only render that part of the comp. > But from what I could always tell, AE is so heavily dependent on rendering > inefficiently huge tiles and/or entire frames that it still renders > everything. I get no noticeable speed up rendering a small ROI area than I > do rendering the entire frame with most of my projects. > > Case in point, if I render the whole frame of a comp, for say 30 frames > and it takes a minute, then if I render half of the comp I would expect it > to take 15 seconds. 1/4 the pixels. No, it takes a minute. > > If I render an ROI ram preview and then change the ROI by dragging it > larger, it instantly shows the rest of the comp. It doesn't need to > rerender the "unseen" image... it already has it rendered. Why does > anyone use it? I understand you can use it to pass crop info but > otherwise, no no no... not how it should be. > > > Nuke does it right, and it will exponentially speed your workflow with the > tool working as it should. AE should only load and render the subsection > of the frame that the ROI is parked on. > > I don't expect AE to become a scanline renderer, but tiled or no, I want > that ROI speed boost. > > But I would love to hear that it actually does what I think it should and > I've been missing something all these years... > > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Behm wrote: > >> I was just using it over the weekend on a heavy VFX comp. like others >> have mentioned, I probably use it for Crop to Region more than anything >> else, but there are times where I need to work small. >> >> Brian Behm >> Art Director/VFX Artist >> Rooster Teeth Productions >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Austin Wallender wrote: >> >>> Yes, indeed. I use it on heavy comps, and to crop comps. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Mylenium wrote: >>> >>>> I use it regularly for cropping comps, but not otherwise. >>>> >>>> Mylenium >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Austin Wallender >>> austin@pictothink.com >>> (323) 359-1221 >>> >> >> >> -- >> not getting enough of my blather? >> check out http://flabbyironman.blogspot.com >> or my portfolio at http://behmcreative.com >> >> > --089e01634780a3cff504ec272338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Like most others here, i almost exclusively use it as= a crop tool, a very hard to use precisely croptool, but that could be fixe= d by the suggestion by Rob B about crop to layer/mask

And as J Bills mentions i have also never found any use for it to spee= d up a rampreview, but to fix that i guess needs a heavy reachitechturing o= f the way the AE render-engine is working.
I used it more in the = old days to save ram when i worked in HD+ on a machine with 16GB or below, = but that is luckily not very often happening anymore, but might get a use a= gain with the 4K project that are slowly beginning to come in. :-)

Robert



201= 3/11/27 J Bills <jbillsnews@flickfx.com>
I would love to rant on the ROI tool a bit...=A0=A0 b= ecause it's never worked for me?=A0

In my experience, it doesn&= #39;t behave like a true ROI tool should - meaning, if I draw an ROI, I wou= ld expect AE to only render that part of the comp.=A0 But from what I could= always tell, AE is so heavily dependent on rendering inefficiently huge ti= les and/or entire frames that it still renders everything.=A0 I get no noti= ceable speed up rendering a small ROI area than I do rendering the entire f= rame with most of my projects.

Case in point, if I render the whole frame of a comp, for sa= y 30 frames and it takes a minute, then if I render half of the comp I woul= d expect it to take 15 seconds.=A0 1/4 the pixels.=A0 No, it takes a minute= .

If I render an ROI ram preview and then change the ROI by dr= agging it larger, it instantly shows the rest of the comp.=A0 It doesn'= t need to rerender the "unseen" image...=A0 it already has it ren= dered.=A0 Why does anyone use it?=A0 I understand you can use it to pass cr= op info but otherwise, no no no...=A0 not how it should be.


Nuke does it right, and it will exponentially speed your= workflow with the tool working as it should.=A0 AE should only load and re= nder the subsection of the frame that the ROI is parked on.=A0

I do= n't expect AE to become a scanline renderer, but tiled or no, I want th= at ROI speed boost.

But I would love to hear that it actually does what I think = it should and I've been missing something all these years...
<= div>



On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Brian Behm <flabbyironman@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I was just using it over the weekend on a heavy VFX comp. like others have= =A0mentioned, I probably use it for Crop to Region more than a= nything else, but there are times where I need to work small.=A0

Brian Behm
Art Director/VFX Artist
Rooster Teeth P= roductions


On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Austin Wallender= wrote:
Yes, indeed. =A0I use it on heavy comps, and to crop comps= .


On Tue= , Nov 26, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Mylenium <mylenium@mylen= ium.de> wrote:
I use it regularly for cropping comps, but n= ot otherwise.

Mylenium

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