Return-Path: Received: from exprod7og129.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.122] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 5304783 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:01:55 +0100 Received: from mxo02.hearstsc.com ([206.225.145.98]) by exprod7ob129.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUpyFU4RlTW+8qRoYeDA2nqnBtSCaO8VW@postini.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:04:20 PST Received: from unknown (HELO RCLTEXHC04.resource.hearstcorp.com) ([206.225.146.51]) by mxo02.hearstsc.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 02 Dec 2013 08:04:18 -0500 Received: from RCLTEXDM06.resource.hearstcorp.com ([172.19.45.5]) by RCLTEXHC04.resource.hearstcorp.com ([172.19.45.14]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 08:04:14 -0500 From: "Fleming, Dave R" To: After Effects Mail List Subject: RE: [AE] White Board effect Thread-Topic: [AE] White Board effect Thread-Index: AQHO716SR9abOPLdkU+g+9qk0dCx6JpA3yaA Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:04:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.19.39.58] x-ems-proccessed: Kj8dVGJuFXXxAovGeQpG0A== x-ems-stamp: vK2mcN28bkgfivPAaZMQvA== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CDC6DC83C24B594584E4FD2B05B7E28AC897246Drcltexdm06_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_CDC6DC83C24B594584E4FD2B05B7E28AC897246Drcltexdm06_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry - reply instead of forward will do that... Dave Fleming | WPTZ Productions | Commercial Production Supervisor 5 Television Drive | Plattsburgh, NY 12901 | 518 420 1573 tel | 518 726 053= 7 cell | 518 563 4845 fax | wptz.com P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to do so. From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Fleming, Dave R Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:01 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] White Board effect Another guy's suggestion with the original post at bottom... Dave Fleming | WPTZ Productions | Commercial Production Supervisor 5 Television Drive | Plattsburgh, NY 12901 | 518 420 1573 tel | 518 726 053= 7 cell | 518 563 4845 fax | wptz.com P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to do so. From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Jim Curtis Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 12:18 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] White Board effect What an amazing marker that is, that changes ink colors spontaneously. It'= s magic. I did a whiteboard video a few months ago. The producer and I had a pre-pr= o meeting, and I suggested a few ways to do them. 1. Get a graphic artist to draw, shoot that, and speed up the video in pos= t. 2. Shoot a still or video of a hand holding a marker, mask it and animate = the pen tip over a Write-on / masking reveal (or reverse conceal) from prev= iously drawn art. 3. Use the record feature of Painter to record illustrations being created= , and animate the masked marker tip as the image is revealed. Method #1 is the quickest to pull off in post, but requires a pretty good i= llustrator to draw in real-time. Method #2 was probably used in the sample you provided. Look at the fonts.= They're all the same; and some of them are fonts people don't ordinarily = draw in freehand illustrating. If you look closely, you can see that an ar= tist filled in some traced outlines of what appears to me to be computer ge= nerated fonts and clip art (Look at the two bananas; nobody draws two banan= as by drawing the back one first, and adding a second one on top.) And loo= k at the pen position in the hand; it doesn't change much. Method #3 requires an expert in Painter, and I don't know any. We ended up going with #1. The biggest post challenge for me was to contro= l and match the shadows cast by the real arm on the real drawing (even afte= r trying to banish all shadows using several soft lights). In retrospect, = we should have prohibited the people (camera guy and producer) getting clos= e to the artwork while shooting (Producer was pointing where and what to dr= aw.), as the white paper picked up fabric colors that were bounced from the= lights onto the paper. Everybody around the paper, including the artist s= hould have worn all black. On Dec 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Dave Bittner > wrote: The "writing on a white board" animation was all the rage a couple of years= ago, and lately I've seen several pop up like this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhbcoU9m5H2E#t=3D108 This appears to be much more automated than some of the others' I've seen. = Any idea if this is the case, and how they're pulling it off? Thanks, Dave Dave Bittner - Pixel Workshop Inc. www.pixelworkshop.com 410.381.8555 Twitter @bittner --_000_CDC6DC83C24B594584E4FD2B05B7E28AC897246Drcltexdm06_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry – reply inste= ad of forward will do that…

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<= span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-seri= f";color:gray">Dave Fleming | WPTZ Productions | Commercial Production Supervisor

5 Television Drive | Plattsburgh, NY 12901 | 518 420 1573 tel | 518 726 0537 cell | 518 563 4845 fax | wp= tz.com

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From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Fleming, Dave R
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:01 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] White Board effect

 

Another guy’s sugge= stion with the original post at bottom…

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<= span style=3D"font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-seri= f";color:gray">Dave Fleming | WPTZ Productions | Commercial Production Supervisor

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From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@= media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Jim Curtis
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 12:18 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] White Board effect

 

What an amazing marker that is, that changes ink col= ors spontaneously.  It's magic.

 

I did a whiteboard video a few months ago.  The= producer and I had a pre-pro meeting, and I suggested a few ways to do the= m.

 

1.  Get a graphic artist to draw, shoot that, a= nd speed up the video in post.

2.  Shoot a still or video of a hand holding a = marker, mask it and animate the pen tip over a Write-on / masking reveal (o= r reverse conceal) from previously drawn art.

3.  Use the record feature of Painter to record= illustrations being created, and animate the masked marker tip as the imag= e is revealed.

 

 

Method #1 is the quickest to pull off in post, but r= equires a pretty good illustrator to draw in real-time.

 

Method #2 was probably used in the sample you provid= ed.  Look at the fonts.  They're all the same; and some of them a= re fonts people don't ordinarily draw in freehand illustrating.  If yo= u look closely, you can see that an artist filled in some traced outlines of what appears to me to be computer generated fon= ts and clip art (Look at the two bananas; nobody draws two bananas by drawi= ng the back one first, and adding a second one on top.)  And look at t= he pen position in the hand; it doesn't change much.

 

Method #3 requires an expert in Painter, and I don't= know any.

 

We ended up going with #1.  The biggest post ch= allenge for me was to control and match the shadows cast by the real arm on= the real drawing (even after trying to banish all shadows using several so= ft lights).  In retrospect, we should have prohibited the people (camera guy and producer) getting close to the artwo= rk while shooting (Producer was pointing where and what to draw.), as the w= hite paper picked up fabric colors that were bounced from the lights onto t= he paper.  Everybody around the paper, including the artist should have worn all black.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Dec 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Dave Bittner <dave@pixelworkshop.com> wrote:

 

The “writing on a white board” animation= was all the rage a couple of years ago, and lately I’ve seen several= pop up like this one - 

 

 

This appears to be much more automated than some of = the others’ I’ve seen. Any idea if this is the case, and how th= ey’re pulling it off?

 

Thanks,

 

Dave

 

 

 

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Dave Bittner - Pixel Workshop Inc.
www.pixelworkshop.com
410.381.8555
Twitter @bittner

 

 

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