Return-Path: Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.161.0] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 5319200 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:09:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-152-153-100.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.153.100]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MXW00CZ6YP8GM70@nk11p00mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:12:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-12-16_01:2013-12-16,2013-12-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1312160127 From: Jim Curtis Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1A78941-C56C-44BD-8E2D-AEEE1D8667A4" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:12:44 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) --Apple-Mail=_C1A78941-C56C-44BD-8E2D-AEEE1D8667A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 What they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is now. = Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast (and not = slow download to a local server as with the current Sony 4K), and it = could be decades before everybody has either. Hopefully not satellite, = because those antennae are visual blights on our landscape. Significant available content would be important to me, too. To me, HD isn't just about pixels=85 it's also about not seeing = compression artifacts. I don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or = blocky or time-smeared. But,what do I know? But, to the OP, the time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients = are demanding it, and not a second sooner (unless you just like being = the first kid on your block to have it, for which you pay a premium).=20 On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:08 AM, adam mercado wrote: > =46rom what I understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general = consumers has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become a = player anytime soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their way out, = as they flopped in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither interested = nor educated enough to appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D better = picture and that is all. If it takes off it will be with niche, experts = and hobbyists. Just my speculation. >=20 >=20 > Adam Mercado > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA >=20 > Moving Images. For Business > 714=B0928=B09896 > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >=20 >> As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, with a = 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k overlord = soon enough.=20 >>=20 >> I'd expect places like mine and also wherever Google fiber is = installed will first start toying with 4k on demand videos to see the = usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be at least another 2-3 years = before it is more common place or at least more of a household word. >>=20 >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/ >> =20 >>=20 >> On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders Sundstedt" = wrote: >> Thanks Mylenium, >> =20 >> I will read Stu=92s article. >> =20 >> They recently started advertising a 4K TV for sale on UK television, = so I was thinking, what would they be able to use it for at the moment. >> =20 >> Thanks, >> =20 >> Anders >> =20 >> From: mylenium@mylenium.de >> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K TV/video >> =20 >> You might want to read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or = so.... It won't necessarily be better in terms what you actually will = see and so far no major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. I = believe they will use it to some effect during the soccer world = championships for crop & pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k = will be mostly a production format for some time. It's kind this weird = situation where on a reasonably sized home screen you won't be able to = see much of a difference because your eye can't keep up and compression = will eradicate some of the sharpness while at the same time only so many = people will even have a flat/ condo/ room in their house where they = could sit far enough from the screen to actually draw benefits from 4k. = Stu nails those points perfectly... >> Mylenium >> [Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre]=20 >> -----------------------------------------=20 >> www.mylenium.de >>> Anders Sundstedt hat am 16. Dezember 2013 um = 13:28 geschrieben:=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>> I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become popular and = when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start broadcasting = 4K. >>> I am also curious on how you would buy a 4K film, what home use = formats and players would support this at the moment if any? >>> Same with internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than = 1080p will be an option? >>> I have two reasons for asking this: 1) When is it time to consider = making my animations in 4K, 2) when would it be any idea to upgrade my = TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv. >>> Thanks >>> Anders Sundstedt >>> http://sundstedt.co.uk >>=20 >> =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C1A78941-C56C-44BD-8E2D-AEEE1D8667A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 What = they now call HD over Netflix (for example) is a joke as it is now. =  Fiber or satellite will be mandatory for real-time broadcast (and = not slow download to a local server as with the current Sony 4K), and it = could be decades before everybody has either.  Hopefully not = satellite, because those antennae are visual blights on our = landscape.

Significant available content would be = important to me, too.

To me, HD isn't just about = pixels=85 it's also about not seeing compression artifacts.  I = don't consider it HD if it's upscaled or blocky or time-smeared. =  But,what do I know?

But, to the OP, the = time to upgrade your gear IMO is when your clients are demanding it, and = not a second sooner (unless you just like being the first kid on your = block to have it, for which you pay a = premium). 


On Dec 16, 2013, = at 11:08 AM, adam mercado <adam@influxx.com> = wrote:

=46rom what I understand, even basic HD uptake amongst general consumers = has been pitifully slow, so I don't expect 4k to become a player anytime = soon. I also heard 3D TVs are already on their way out, as they flopped = in the marketplace. Joe Consumer is neither interested nor educated = enough to appreciate the difference. Big screen =3D better picture and = that is all. If it takes off it will be with niche, experts and = hobbyists. Just my speculation.



On Dec = 16, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

As an owner of a 1080p home theater projector as my main TV, = with a 135" screen and 1gb fiber optic ISP. I cannot welcome a new 4k = overlord soon enough.

I'd expect places like mine and = also wherever Google fiber is installed will first start toying with 4k = on demand videos to see the usage patterns, etc. But I'd expect it'd be = at least another 2-3 years before it is more common place or at least = more of a household word.

///Greg Balint
//Art = Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
    =

On Dec 16, 2013 7:44 AM, "Anders = Sundstedt" <sundstedt@hotmail.com> = wrote:
=
Thanks = Mylenium,
 
I will read Stu=92s = article.
 
They recently started advertising = a 4K TV for sale on UK television, so I was thinking, what would they be = able to use it for at the moment.
 
=
Thanks,
 
Anders
 
=
Sent: = Monday, December 16, 2013 12:38 PM
=
Subject: Re: [AE] When time for 4K = TV/video
 
You might want to = read Stu Maschwitz' "4k in the home" article or so.... It won't = necessarily be better in terms what you actually will see and so far no = major broadcaster has announced any firm plans. I believe they will use = it to some effect during the soccer world championships for crop & = pan to HD, but beyond that I would think 4k will be mostly a production = format for some time. It's kind this weird situation where on a = reasonably sized home screen you won't be able to see much of a = difference because your eye can't keep up and compression will eradicate = some of the sharpness while at the same time only so many people will = even have a flat/ condo/ room in their house where they could sit far = enough from the screen to actually draw benefits from 4k. Stu nails = those points perfectly...
Mylenium
=
[Pour Myl=E8ne, ange sur terre] =
-----------------------------------------
www.mylenium.de =
Anders Sundstedt = <sundstedt@hotmail.com> hat am 16. Dezember = 2013 um 13:28 geschrieben:

Hi,
=
I am curious to know when you think 4K TV will become = popular and when/what channels and what TV boxes will actually start = broadcasting 4K.
I am also curious on how = you would buy a 4K film, what home use formats and players would = support this at the moment if any?
Same with = internet/YouTube, when do you think something better than 1080p will = be an option?
I have two reasons for asking = this: 1) When is it time to consider making my animations in 4K, 2) = when would it be any idea to upgrade my TV from a 1080p to a 4K tv. =
Thanks
Anders = Sundstedt

  =
=

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